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[rasputin]

There are no LY wheels mate ive got a spare set

[LazyDonkey]

Oh FFS you don't check the site for most of the day and this kicks off. Good job i've not just shelled out £120 to have my NA wheels powdercoated.........oh hold on ...

[jules_s]

Convict, If you read down the thread a little, JT was specifically asked whether the whole pipe would be replaced... His answer? 'Yes' I discussed this with Johnaachen on the fone earlier....and I really think we are all jumping the gun on the wheels/vacuum pipe thing....and the hub bolts for that matter, but im not going to comment on that. Sure I (and johnaachen) have had the front and rear of the pipe replaced at vaux expense. That to me is totally irrelevant now a recall/rework has been accepted and announced. If the recall now calls for the pipe to be replaced in its entirety then I will have that done FOC by vaux, since the work done to mine preceded the admission by vaux there was a problem. Dont forget that these sort of things are covered by vauxhalls insurance...once a recall/rework notice is issued you would be stupid not to have the work done

[SPLAM]

LY wheels are only painted NA wheels, surely Vauxhall will have to organise that. Richy my build No. is over 4000 so they should be fine. I can phone and check if you like but I think it's been sorted for what markings to look for (I've not read whole thread properly )

[convict]

If you read down the thread a little, JT was specifically asked whether the whole pipe would be replaced...

His answer?

'Yes'

I discussed this with Johnaachen on the fone earlier....and I really think we are all jumping the gun on the wheels/vacuum pipe thing....and the hub bolts for that matter, but im not going to comment on that.

Sure I (and johnaachen) have had the front and rear of the pipe replaced at vaux expense. That to me is totally irrelevant now a recall/rework has been accepted and announced. If the recall now calls for the pipe to be replaced in its entirety then I will have that done FOC by vaux, since the work done to mine preceded the admission by vaux there was a problem.

Really don't mean to get into an argument at this time of night, and I fully accept your point re-reading the thread again. I do stand by my point on time though - I can't see how you could do it in 90min. Now that may be due to the fact that the information of time is wrong, but I guess what I'm trying to get across is if that information is wrong, what else is?

Everyone seems to be jumping up and down saying we're going to get free wheels and complete vacuum hoses done in the next week and I just think we should be cautious until we have ALL the information available and know exactly whats going to be done. And although its not vaux as such paying, rather their insurance company, I think we all know how insurance companies will try to wriggle out of anything they can.

Dont forget that these sort of things are covered by vauxhalls insurance...once a recall/rework notice is issued you would be stupid not to have the work done

As mentioned in my other posts tonight, given the amount I've wasted at my stealer recently, I'll more than happily screw vaux for everything I can get - hence my concerns about getting the pipe done right!

[JG]

the hose is a reletivley easy fix, according to paul at baylis. 90min for replacement is about right. the key lies in using the old hose to pull the new one through. the dash has to come off because the bend as it goes into the front compartment is too acute. thats it. James.

[jules_s]

Im sure we all appreciate that 90 mins is far too conservative a time estimate to replace the whole pipe. As far as im aware, its only been jimH that has posted on here that has done the whole thing....and he did it himself. When mine went (just out of warranty) I was happy they just fixed it. Now its a recall they can take as long as they want to replace the whole pipe. Im in no immediate rush, and will book it in at TMS when the immediate 'panic' (if you can call it that) has calmed down. TBH this seems like online forum hysteria. Ive never had the hard pedal syndrome, and im sure others on here sweating buckets haven't either. So no need to be shitting oneself immediately. Same with the wheels tbh. ive done 40k on mine, no worries. Suddenly because of a post on a forum everybody shits themselves.....even after speedyk posted the same thing months ago

[JG]

tbh i'd leave it until next service. although i must say i have had the whole hose changed under warranty (although felt no change afterwards), infact there isn't a lot of the original car left.

Edited by JamesGray, 26 July 2006 - 11:15 PM.

[convict]

When mine went (just out of warranty) I was happy they just fixed it. Now its a recall they can take as long as they want to replace the whole pipe. Im in no immediate rush, and will book it in at TMS when the immediate 'panic' (if you can call it that) has calmed down.

TBH this seems like online forum hysteria. Ive never had the hard pedal syndrome, and im sure others on here sweating buckets haven't either. So no need to be shitting oneself immediately.

Same with the wheels tbh. ive done 40k on mine, no worries. Suddenly because of a post on a forum everybody shits themselves.....even after speedyk posted the same thing months ago

DING.

Agree 100%

[Kenni]

My rears dont have the H.T marks but have P.T. So i assume my wheels are faulty. I've looked at my fronts too and they also bare the same markings to the rears? So why are the fronts not affected too?? My Build number range is 3724 (52reg) if it helps other wondering.

[Thorney]

....and breath. OK, rumour control. Firstly the chances of your wheels breaking is about as likely as being hit by lightning, yes, it has happened on (afaik) single digit occassions almost always on track during the course of an 'extraordinary' manoever - ie a spin (although thats not 100% confirmed) but its enough of an incidence for Vauxhall to issue a full recall. Does this mean that your wheels are all hand grenades awaiting to explode - no, so please all remain calm, and remember that nothing has changed on your car since yesterday. However, this is a safety recall so should be treated with speed but not panic, ie get the car booked in at a dealer, or us or whomever, whenever you can (but don't stress if its weeks away as I've no idea on stock availability as yet). As I said in the sticky thread the if your wheels have 'HT' marked on them then they have been heat treated and are fine, if they lack 'HT' and if you haven't received a letter from Vauxhall by next week then either call customer services or take it to a dealer for inspection. For those people with spare wheels the recall applies, the wheels do not need to be on the car for replacement. For those people with LY's then you'll need to contact customer services as the LY wheel is no longer available (its the same wheel as an NA just painted black) so my understanding is that the wheels care replaced and repainted (arranged by the dealer) - although I need to confirm this. For those people with custom painted wheels then I 'believe' that Vauxhall will allow repainting of the replacement wheels to match although I'm NOT 100% on this yet so its best to again contact cutomer services, raise a file so it can be checked through the system. We have access to a system called VX Care which will tell us which chassis numbers are confirmed affected but the system was down (to us anyway) yesterday so I'll retry again today. Secondly the brake hose replacement is due to perishing being caused by a lack of ozone resistance in the material, this is a customer satisfaction program ie its NOT safety related and basically means Vauxhall want everyone to be happy bunnies with their cars and rather than replace bits of pipe (it only affects the bit visible in the front engine compartment) they'd rather replace the whole thing. THE WHOLE PIPE IS REPLACED, but yes I'm a bit dubious over the 90min thing, we've done 2 thus far and it took us 2 hours each time but thats our problem not yours. The brake hose in question is the vacuum hose from the master cylinder so the fact its perishing a bit does NOT mean you'll suddenly lose your brakes and die in ball of flames, it simply means you'll get a hard brake pedal under repeated use which will subside as you ease off the brakes. Yes it needs attention and yes this should be treated as something you do sooner rather than later but do not panic over it. The easiest way to deal with all this is to wait for the letter from Vauxhall which will confirm all you need to do. To pre-empt this then you can inspect your own wheels (you can see the inside rim of the wheel with it on the car but it depends on where the wheel is rotated) and IMO this is the easiest way of determining if you're affected, if it turns out you need wheels then book it in and at the same time ask the dealer to check if your set for the pipe recall as well. Wheel replacement is best treated as a while you wait job although the hose is more likely to be a booked in and get it back later job. Oh and this won't mean that TMS will suddenly make millions of pounds out of VX owners, the warranty rate from Vauxhall is so low that I'm actually disputing it with them and 90mins to do a servo pipe is best described as 'keen' IMO but my (and the ethos of TMS) view is that the car is actually more important the owner so if it takes 2 hours to get it right then so be it, we are happy to undertake the work if you feel that your local dealer either can't/won't do it. However its a simple job so is unlikely to tax even the most VX220 unfriendly dealer. OK?

[luna_s]

my wheels have done 90k, if they were going to snap, i'd imagine they would've done it by now - oh hang on paniccc! - Really im more concerned about the hub carrier bolts, which seem to go a lot more than the wheels,

[Ferguson]

As I understand Thorney's thread, the intention isn't to replace the hose, just either end, which seems to defeat the point entirely.

After re-reading the original thread on the wheels from speedyk, it would appear that in Switz, the whole hose has been replaced (4 hour job), rather than a quick bodge job.

Correct. Received my letter on a Monday (I think), booked in on a Thursday morning, and the car was ready by midday with a complete new hose (I saw the tech. bulletin and it showed all the steps for pulling a new hose through the sill) and they even hand-washed the car. Nice.

Edited by Ferguson, 27 July 2006 - 06:13 AM.

[luna_s]

has anyone got that tech bulletin ?

[JG]

....and breath.

OK, rumour control.

Firstly the chances of your wheels breaking is about as likely as being hit by lightning, yes, it has happened on (afaik) single digit occassions almost always on track during the course of an 'extraordinary' manoever - ie a spin (although thats not 100% confirmed) but its enough of an incidence for Vauxhall to issue a full recall. Does this mean that your wheels are all hand grenades awaiting to explode - no, so please all remain calm, and remember that nothing has changed on your car since yesterday.

However, this is a safety recall so should be treated with speed but not panic, ie get the car booked in at a dealer, or us or whomever, whenever you can (but don't stress if its weeks away as I've no idea on stock availability as yet).

As I said in the sticky thread the if your wheels have 'HT' marked on them then they have been heat treated and are fine, if they lack 'HT' and if you haven't received a letter from Vauxhall by next week then either call customer services or take it to a dealer for inspection. For those people with spare wheels the recall applies, the wheels do not need to be on the car for replacement. For those people with LY's then you'll need to contact customer services as the LY wheel is no longer available (its the same wheel as an NA just painted black) so my understanding is that the wheels care replaced and repainted (arranged by the dealer) - although I need to confirm this. For those people with custom painted wheels then I 'believe' that Vauxhall will allow repainting of the replacement wheels to match although I'm NOT 100% on this yet so its best to again contact cutomer services, raise a file so it can be checked through the system.

We have access to a system called VX Care which will tell us which chassis numbers are confirmed affected but the system was down (to us anyway) yesterday so I'll retry again today.

Secondly the brake hose replacement is due to perishing being caused by a lack of ozone resistance in the material, this is a customer satisfaction program ie its NOT safety related and basically means Vauxhall want everyone to be happy bunnies with their cars and rather than replace bits of pipe (it only affects the bit visible in the front engine compartment) they'd rather replace the whole thing. THE WHOLE PIPE IS REPLACED, but yes I'm a bit dubious over the 90min thing, we've done 2 thus far and it took us 2 hours each time but thats our problem not yours.

The brake hose in question is the vacuum hose from the master cylinder so the fact its perishing a bit does NOT mean you'll suddenly lose your brakes and die in ball of flames, it simply means you'll get a hard brake pedal under repeated use which will subside as you ease off the brakes. Yes it needs attention and yes this should be treated as something you do sooner rather than later but do not panic over it.

The easiest way to deal with all this is to wait for the letter from Vauxhall which will confirm all you need to do. To pre-empt this then you can inspect your own wheels (you can see the inside rim of the wheel with it on the car but it depends on where the wheel is rotated) and IMO this is the easiest way of determining if you're affected, if it turns out you need wheels then book it in and at the same time ask the dealer to check if your set for the pipe recall as well.

Wheel replacement is best treated as a while you wait job although the hose is more likely to be a booked in and get it back later job.

Oh and this won't mean that TMS will suddenly make millions of pounds out of VX owners, the warranty rate from Vauxhall is so low that I'm actually disputing it with them and 90mins to do a servo pipe is best described as 'keen' IMO but my (and the ethos of TMS) view is that the car is actually more important the owner so if it takes 2 hours to get it right then so be it, we are happy to undertake the work if you feel that your local dealer either can't/won't do it. However its a simple job so is unlikely to tax even the most VX220 unfriendly dealer.

OK?

[wil_scotland]

Thanks for clearing this up JT Right I am off to have a look at my wheels.

[Pidgeon]

Can someone post a pic of the 'HT' stamping. Reason I ask (does not apply to me) is that the 'stamping' on the turbo wheel in the other thread was not a 'stamp', the HT was cast into the wheel (ie pre heat treatment). I guess the letters indicate the smooth pad next to them where a stamped 'H' is visible. I would not want people to see the HT and believe their wheels were treated.

[christurbo]

I have to agree - the panic on her is comical!!!! BTW - As I said before my hose looks OK, will they still replace it???

[Thorney]

Can someone post a pic of the 'HT' stamping.

Reason I ask (does not apply to me) is that the 'stamping' on the turbo wheel in the other thread was not a 'stamp', the HT was cast into the wheel (ie pre heat treatment). I guess the letters indicate the smooth pad next to them where a stamped 'H' is visible.

I would not want people to see the HT and believe their wheels were treated.

Doesn't really matter, regs on wheel production state that HT must be cast into the rim to designate that classification, the stamp is simply there to signify a presence rather than the process of how the letters are affixed.

[Tony_M]

I have to agree - the panic on her is comical!!!!

PANIC

I've done 43k now are my wheels going to explode hang on a minute does this effect OZ wheels

PANIC