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[tdwindustries]

Agree with ShinyAndy - I bought F1's and thought the car was broken. High speed driving/handling was a nightmare - back to bridgestones and handling issue went away. I defy anyone to imagine its a better car to drive with F1's on. The grip was immense and much grippier in the wet, a lovely tyre all round - but not combined with the non-grippy bridgstone fronts.

[i need nos]

that should keep u posting for another few hours! lol

My rear tyres need replacing...

I currently have Bridgestone Potenza 225/45 R17 90V's.
Im being quoted like for like at around £104(MichelDever nr B'stoke) -£130(Kwik-Fit) per tyre.

Should I stick with these or is there a better alternative?
Any advice would be greatly received.

Kev in Farnham
ps(Dont ask about Drive Vauxhall!!!! )

so kev, you going to buy some goodyear f1s? pmsl

[Foxy]

fwiw jayk sold me some speedlines with goodyear f1 and they were hardly scrubbed in,

...and your point is?

my point is if he gave them a chance and actualy used them he may have got to like them, its so annoying that so many people who read these forums arent allowed to express there opinions toward trying other brands apart from the shitty standard crap they sell u without having people standing to correct u, its just an opinion so get over it. what i say stands and that f1s and pilot sports are good tyres.

Who said you aren't allowed to express an opinion???? The problem is when people express (questionable) opinions as fact, in the face of well reasoned views from people with considerable experience.

Lose the chip mate.

[TurboTomato]

My rear BS-91Y's stick to the road like sh*t would to a shovel. Also I heard that DOT code mean sweet FA.

Craig

You have Audi TT tyres on your car then

[johnnym1]

I find, that a nice big bag of Dorito's and a little pot of dip does just nice at times like this, never have been a big fan of Butterkist

[Foxy]

I find, that a nice big bag of Dorito's and a little pot of dip does just nice at times like this, never have been a big fan of Butterkist

When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. TAGL

[TurboTomato]

When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you. TAGL

glol

[doberman]

Agree with ShinyAndy - I bought F1's and thought the car was broken. High speed driving/handling was a nightmare - back to bridgestones and handling issue went away.

I defy anyone to imagine its a better car to drive with F1's on. The grip was immense and much grippier in the wet, a lovely tyre all round - but not combined with the non-grippy bridgstone fronts.

Lets get back to basics. Vauxhall puts narrow wheels/tyres on the front and wide ones on the rear to provoke understeer. Understeer is safer than oversteer and this is why they do it. Putting grippier tyres on the back theoretically allows for faster cornering, subject to the limitations of understeer. F1's are good, high performance tyres and there is no way that fitting them to the rear only will turn a good car into one that feels like its broken. Maybe there was something wrong with the tyres you fitted, because mine handles pretty much the same on Bridgestones and F1's, I just think the F1's look better.
Chances are that Vauxhall had a special deal with Bridgestone and the car would have handled just as well had they opted for any one of the top brands.

[jules_s]

I'm losing the will to live....

[i need nos]

dont loose the will to live mate its only a debate! lol and doberman is right in my opinion, its no big issue in terms of handling he thinks there just as good i think there, there i can take that chip off my shoulder now foxy and u can take that p**ck out of your harris cos u r sounding very anal.

[PaulCP]

Rather than enter a pointless debate i'll just wait and see who is the first one to moan when their insurance claim is rejected because of the mix of tyres

[Foxy]

dont loose the will to live mate its only a debate! lol and doberman is right in my opinion, its no big issue in terms of handling he thinks there just as good i think there, there i can take that chip off my shoulder now foxy and u can take that p**ck out of your harris cos u r sounding very anal.

Hummm...getting a little too offensive for my liking.

[i need nos]

foxy i appologise for taking it to the next level, but i still think u should try the michellins, nothing imo can touch them for road use..

[Foxy]

foxy i appologise for taking it to the next level,

Thank you. Now behave yourself.

i still think u should try the michellins, nothing imo can touch them for road use..

Michelin HTH.

[Pedro]

foxy i appologise for taking it to the next level, but i still think u should try the michellins, nothing imo can touch them for road use..

nos, foxy and Partridge race cars on a fairly regular basis so they probably know a load more than either you or I when it comes to grip and such like. Resorting to abuse when brain power runs out isn't the way to go...

Lotus and GM probably spent a load of money sorting out tyres for the VX, and consulted experts in the field when making that choice. The car is sensitive to tyre pressures ffs, mixing tyres is pretty stoopid to say the least.

Anyway, foxy why do you think that Toyo's are crap? Is this from a road or racing perspective?

[jules_s]

IIRC the tyres were developed specifically for the VX.... And when I say tyres I mean tyres....fronts and backs in unison Throwing grippier/better rain sheding tyres is the issue here....I had T1R's with partially worn fronts....understeer city...even with SS geo. Far better on new fronts but still compromised compared to having Bridgies on the rear. Cant believe I bothered to type that

[Foxy]

Anyway, foxy why do you think that Toyo's are crap? Is this from a road or racing perspective?

We use R888's on the PBMW race car, and they're very grippy as you'd expect - but they do seem to go off pretty quickly in the dry. The odd thing is that they feel past their best after 3 or 4 laps, but the lap times don't bear this out.

The T1R's on the VX were fuggin' awful on track* - very sensitive to pressure (prob due to side wall constuction) and felt like soft cheese after a couple of laps. The Bridgies on the other hand were completely confidence inspiring.
I also used the T1Rs on my SAAB, but I won't do that again.

A048s are by far the best tyres I've ever used.



*Worth noting that I had T1R front and rear (using rear wheels on the front) - it didn't work

[cheeky_chops]

Lotus and GM probably spent a load of money sorting out tyres for the VX, and consulted experts in the field when making that choice.

i still dont buy this argument - they are pikey with everything else so why spend aload on getting company to spec ultra advanced tyres? More like spec a rediculous size that no one uses and get a kick back off BS



Foxy just doesnt like toyo's

[Foxy]

Lotus and GM probably spent a load of money sorting out tyres for the VX, and consulted experts in the field when making that choice.

i still dont buy this argument - they are pikey with everything else so why spend aload on getting company to spec ultra advanced tyres? More like spec a rediculous size that no one uses and get a kick back off BS

I have to agree that this PoV has some merit

Foxy just doesnt like toyo's

(or mixing tyres - unless it's on a shopping trolly)

[Pedro]

Lotus and GM probably spent a load of money sorting out tyres for the VX, and consulted experts in the field when making that choice.

i still dont buy this argument - they are pikey with everything else so why spend aload on getting company to spec ultra advanced tyres? More like spec a rediculous size that no one uses and get a kick back off BS

OK, Lotus and GM probably spent more than i need nos on tyre development

Anyway, foxy why do you think that Toyo's are crap? Is this from a road or racing perspective?

We use R888's on the PBMW race car, and they're very grippy as you'd expect - but they do seem to go off pretty quickly in the dry. The odd thing is that they feel past their best after 3 or 4 laps, but the lap times don't bear this out.

The T1R's on the VX were fuggin' awful on track* - very sensitive to pressure (prob due to side wall constuction) and felt like soft cheese after a couple of laps. The Bridgies on the other hand were completely confidence inspiring.
I also used the T1Rs on my SAAB, but I won't do that again.

A048s are by far the best tyres I've ever used.



*Worth noting that I had T1R front and rear (using rear wheels on the front) - it didn't work

Cheers for that - I've got A048's on at the moment, and they are a bit lively in the rain, was thinking of swapping to T1R's as a winter tyre. I won't be tracking anyway.

Edited by Pedro, 04 September 2006 - 08:42 PM.