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[i need nos]

OK, Lotus and GM probably spent more than i need nos on tyre development u believe that? lol on a serious note i have had 8 sets of wheels now with a cmbination of 6 different brand of tyres, ive been fortunate and unfortunate to try a lot of mixes and matches, and if only vauxhal made the fronts 185 or 195 u would be amazed at how well the car handles and feels around the twisties with the pilot sports, my tests are all based on general road use, and pedro, im not saying this has all got to be compared with foxy and co just cos they do loads of track days and races, of course there going to want to use the same tread on front and back, my point in the first place was to answer a simple question, has anyone used diffrent rears than bridgestone.. capice?

Edited by i need nos, 04 September 2006 - 10:00 PM.

[Pedro]

OK, Lotus and GM probably spent more than i need nos on tyre development


u believe that? lol

/Snipped load of drivel

...my tests are all based on getting the arse out onbends and recovering

/ more snippage

no one should be driving on the limits on public roads regardless of what tyres there using, if u do ur obviously stupid,

There you go, you have qualified your opinion on tyres

[i need nos]

very observent from a silly mistake, now go buy yourself some pilot sports and thank me later

Edited by i need nos, 04 September 2006 - 10:01 PM.

[Pedro]

very observent from a silly mistake, now go buy yourself some pilot sports and thank me later

The thing is nos, you're mixing two types of tyre front and rear - if this was a good idea don't you think that Lotus et al would be supplying cars like this? And with all respect to KevP, you're advising a newbie on probably the most important part of the car and taking him non standard based on your opinion - an opinion most people don't agree with and one you're bound to support because it is exactly what you've done.

KevP - if you're still reading, buy the Bridgestones

[ukgulf]

very observent from a silly mistake, now go buy yourself some pilot sports and thank me later

The thing is nos, you're mixing two types of tyre front and rear - if this was a good idea don't you think that Lotus et al would be supplying cars like this? And with all respect to KevP, you're advising a newbie on probably the most important part of the car and taking him non standard based on your opinion - an opinion most people don't agree with and one you're bound to support because it is exactly what you've done.

KevP - if you're still reading, buy the Bridgestones

I daren't even mention DOT CODES AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!!

[Foxy]

with all respect to KevP, you're advising a newbie on probably the most important part of the car and taking him non standard based on your opinion - an opinion most people don't agree with and one you're bound to support because it is exactly what you've done.

KevP - if you're still reading, buy the Bridgestones

Summed up nicely

[i need nos]

dude, if i thought it was dangerous i wouldnt advise it to anyone, obv theres other people in this very thread that are happy using them to so whats your problem with that? ok its few of us that use them but they are a very good tyre, and no car ive ever known on the market comes with different tyres front and back. do u think im making this up? ive tried, ive tested and im sharing my results with anyone who wants to listen, im sure in your opinion you think its the worst way to affect the way the car feels but i doubt you have tried them so its hardly a fair comment. anyways i cant be bothered to keep repeating myself to u as to what ive found to be a good tyre. you are obviously wasting your time arguing a point out to me over and over again, so il leave this particular thread in your more than capable hands and say buy the bridgestones cos pedro is right and nos dont know what he is talking about cos hes never used any other tyre on his car and his opinion sucks... ok

[Foxy]

so il leave this particular thread and say buy the bridgestones. nos doesn't know what he is talking about and his opinion sucks... ok

Summed up nicely

[TurboTomato]

[walkes]

Arrhhh why does every one go on about bloody DOT codes...

DOT CODES Information

Tyre Bible

They have no meaning in this country stop going on about them..... Like everything in life you get what you pay for... Pay for good tyres you cheapskate barstewards, it'll stop you ending up in the hedge. Learn to drive the car rather then worrying if tyre 1 is better than tyre 2..

Have to say the toyos are good in the wet, but crap in the dry, they overheat and the side walls are to soft and the tyres sponge on the limits. Make for intresting handling. After being in the car with ChazUWE onsat Yoko's are going to be the next full set for me

PS the Lizzie guys do rate BF goodridge tyre's but they are the wrong size...

Edited by walkes, 05 September 2006 - 11:28 AM.

[walkes]

PS forgot to add this

US Dept. Of Transport

U.S. DOT Tire Identification Number
This begins with the letters "DOT" and indicates that the tire meets all federal standards. The next two numbers or letters are the plant code where it was manufactured, and the last four numbers represent the week and year the tire was built. For example, the numbers 3197 means the 31st week of 1997. The other numbers are marketing codes used at the manufacturer's discretion. This information is used to contact consumers if a tire defect requires a recall.

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[Gouldy]

PS forgot to add this

US Dept. Of Transport

U.S. DOT Tire Identification Number
This begins with the letters "DOT" and indicates that the tire meets all federal standards. The next two numbers or letters are the plant code where it was manufactured, and the last four numbers represent the week and year the tire was built. For example, the numbers 3197 means the 31st week of 1997. The other numbers are marketing codes used at the manufacturer's discretion. This information is used to contact consumers if a tire defect requires a recall.

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So.... (deep breath) ..... if Bridgestone are making specific batches of RE040BZ's for the VX220 (like they claim they are in the emails people have been sent), then surely that batch would all have the same DOT code (because they would have all been made in the same week). This would explain why the DOT code we are all looking for changes from time to time?

Therefore DOT codes do means something to us. Whether the difference between one batch and another is really noticeable is an entirely different can of worms!

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.....

[walkes]

All I know is that the americans can not make car that go around corners. So why do I care about what the yankers think is safe or not.. I had a nova (RIP) for years and had loads of different makes on there. The more expensive the tyre the better the handling and wear was... Cheap tyres are cheap for a reason.. what do you think that production tyres are going on an F1 car

Edited by walkes, 05 September 2006 - 01:24 PM.

[ukgulf]

US Dept. Of Transport

U.S. DOT Tire Identification Number
This begins with the letters "DOT" and indicates that the tire meets all federal standards. The next two numbers or letters are the plant code ....

Two numbers or letters ???

Ours have 3 ... CAD or CFE ....

PS forgot to add this

US Dept. Of Transport

U.S. DOT Tire Identification Number
This begins with the letters "DOT" and indicates that the tire meets all federal standards. The next two numbers or letters are the plant code where it was manufactured, and the last four numbers represent the week and year the tire was built. For example, the numbers 3197 means the 31st week of 1997. The other numbers are marketing codes used at the manufacturer's discretion. This information is used to contact consumers if a tire defect requires a recall.

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So.... (deep breath) ..... if Bridgestone are making specific batches of RE040BZ's for the VX220 (like they claim they are in the emails people have been sent), then surely that batch would all have the same DOT code (because they would have all been made in the same week). This would explain why the DOT code we are all looking for changes from time to time?

Therefore DOT codes do means something to us. Whether the difference between one batch and another is really noticeable is an entirely different can of worms!

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.....

I don't think neccesarily DOT codes would all be the same because there's no way they are all going to be made in the same week, let alone month/year. Remember our codes are XXX MMYY ie month/year of manufacturer so although the 3 letters may be the same the 4 numbers more than likely be different. Certainly was on my old NA when I replaced them, the XXX was the same but MMYY were different 'cos they were newer tyres.

Edited by ukgulf, 05 September 2006 - 09:08 PM.

[slindborg]

tyres is what wins a race cole lol when i ran F1's on the back of my omega i loved them, id never dream of mixing tyres on a car such as a VX BUT with suitable rims id definately fit them all round... Toyos are fine for cheap thrills, but as said the walls are goey soft and kinda unnerving at times. michelins... they lose instantly due to being french lol Khumos are very very impressive tyres for the cost etc, similar to hankooks. but id still never mix front to back on such a focused car.... appart from maybe putting sticker rubber on the front as i honestly belive that GM in their usual way gayed up handling and made the vx understeer. oh and i agree on the kickback from BS comment it would have been an agreement based on the cheapest "decent" tyre supplier and fitting a bizzar.

[SPLAM]

We need more threads like this

[walkes]

All I am saying is that the MOT is what is required in the country, not some airy fairy DOT code. If you have the wrong load rating and speed rating (less than what they should be) then you should fail an MOT. How many people check this ? I know the toyo's are V rating rather than W and therefore are not the correct speed rating. If you go up a value then that is ok. Same with load rating... however excessive higher load rating could mean that the tyres are a lot harder side walls than they need to be. Of course all these will change the handling of the car. However this is just my opinion / free information I am providing without any warranty or knowledege of actuall different makes other than bridgestone or Toyo's. If you want to change the tyres on your car be prepared for the possiblity that you will w4nk up the handling. Otherwise chill and remember, don't and , smoke pot and fly Standard Turbo tyres - F= 175/55R17 81W R=225/45R17 91W Toyo's on OZ wheels - F= 195/50R16 84V R=225/45R17 94Y

Edited by walkes, 06 September 2006 - 07:45 AM.

[jazzyjeff]

All I know is that the americans can not make car that go around corners. So why do I care about what the yankers think is safe or not.. I had a nova (RIP) for years and had loads of different makes on there.

Er...because the Yanks are the most car safety obsessed nation in the world? Therefore they should know a little about tyre safety!

Personally I'll stick with the correct rated Bridgestones right down to the DOT code...if Lotus and Bridgestone tell me that VX tyres are only made under one DOT code then I'm more inclined to believe them than some bloke down the pub (who probably also gives out tax advice and pointers on sexual technique).

If the majority of VX owners were only worried about passing their MOT (which is in itself a very rudimentary test of roadworthiness which is often criticised for being insufficient) then we'd all be rolling about on remoulds...

JJ

Edited by jazzyjeff, 06 September 2006 - 09:16 AM.

[walkes]

Er...because the Yanks are the most car safety obsessed nation in the world? Therefore they should know a little about tyre safety!

Is that because they have a culture to sue for millions for anything? or the fact they have a fair number of idiots, just look at the president

[Richy]

We need more threads like this

Indeed