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[quote name='Timbo' post='624908' date='Aug 10 2007, 19:22 ']
Thats because he probably owns a lotus and is
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no its because we works for a aston martin dealership that also sells lotus's pmsl btw just outa curiosity is there anyway of finding out if this guy actually sold this car or not?
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The pics of the car on page 38 were taken outside his 'brothers' bodyshop today, so draw your own conclusions

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Sorry threadjack...

Imran I found your dog:


More here: http://photos.khoatr...hp?gid=4&page=0
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Nice work, dont suppose you got a pic of the great man himself?

I feel really sorry for the guys next door TBH cos some may conclude they are connected, bet they are well chuffed at this (assuming they know)


Cheers

Tom

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[theotherjonnymac]

He is still about then and hasn't sold it like he said - another fib!!!

[Accidentfreeinnit]

Imran, do you agree that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one ? Or are we really supposed to believe that you've had a steady trade on the side in VX220 repairs, recorded or not so that you've been able to buy all those bits, that you just use your brother's net access in the middle of the night, that it's a total coincidence that this car is identical in looks and has had the same plate on it as the written off one, that you bought this recently and bought it from a private trader (surely an oxymoron) and supposedly know exactly what you are doing but may have bought a pup yourself. Go on, give me a clue as to what's wrong with the M3 you have for sale. You could not perhaps be involved in tax fraud, could you ? What, buying cars, doing them up in the trade and masquerading as a private seller ? No, that would be illegal right.... I also note with interest the bodyshop does full accident management - what that same scam that every solicitor (Iin my subjectively reasonable expectation) in Britain knows is riddled with bent companies, fictitious claims, overestimated repairs, dodgy injury claims.... (I chose my words very carefully, BTW) - no, that would be coincidence too. What and getting rid of an M3 too - will that stand up to proper scrutineering and a paint thickness check ? Where did that one come from ? Is it clean ? Are you prepared to state that it's never had an accident ? Or did you buy that without speaking to the previous owner - I'd be massively concerned about doing that with either one. Problem is, Imran, you are fulfilling the stereotyoe. And you know it. There is a small possibility (in my mind) that you may be telling the truth, but I also have a tenner on Santa being real. The overwhelming likelihood is that you are trading either on your own behalf or through that garage and avoiding liabilities that you should pay, warranties you should give and are creating a farrago that is perpetuating itself. If so, I hope the press, the taxman and everybody else comes down on you and the garage like a ton of bricks.... BTW, if you fancy asking me outside too, I am 17 stone and built like a door and I am only 20 minutes away.... but let me know, I am bored tonight....

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Imran I found your dog:


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Don't know what kind of dog it is, but its' bark sounds a little hoarse.

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[ImranVXR1]

Imran, do you agree that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one ?

Or are we really supposed to believe that you've had a steady trade on the side in VX220 repairs, recorded or not so that you've been able to buy all those bits, that you just use your brother's net access in the middle of the night, that it's a total coincidence that this car is identical in looks and has had the same plate on it as the written off one, that you bought this recently and bought it from a private trader (surely an oxymoron) and supposedly know exactly what you are doing but may have bought a pup yourself.

Go on, give me a clue as to what's wrong with the M3 you have for sale. You could not perhaps be involved in tax fraud, could you ? What, buying cars, doing them up in the trade and masquerading as a private seller ? No, that would be illegal right.... I also note with interest the bodyshop does full accident management - what that same scam that every solicitor (Iin my subjectively reasonable expectation) in Britain knows is riddled with bent companies, fictitious claims, overestimated repairs, dodgy injury claims.... (I chose my words very carefully, BTW) - no, that would be coincidence too.

What and getting rid of an M3 too - will that stand up to proper scrutineering and a paint thickness check ? Where did that one come from ? Is it clean ? Are you prepared to state that it's never had an accident ? Or did you buy that without speaking to the previous owner - I'd be massively concerned about doing that with either one.

Problem is, Imran, you are fulfilling the stereotyoe. And you know it. There is a small possibility (in my mind) that you may be telling the truth, but I also have a tenner on Santa being real.

The overwhelming likelihood is that you are trading either on your own behalf or through that garage and avoiding liabilities that you should pay, warranties you should give and are creating a farrago that is perpetuating itself. If so, I hope the press, the taxman and everybody else comes down on you and the garage like a ton of bricks....

BTW, if you fancy asking me outside too, I am 17 stone and built like a door and I am only 20 minutes away.... but let me know, I am bored tonight....

if your bored feel free to pop down im sure you could be entertained

[SAPD]

Despite all the hype, this thread here is still the best VX220.org thread ever (and you only have to read the first page for the full drama!)

Edited by SAPD, 10 August 2007 - 07:42 PM.

[Funk]

if your bored feel free to pop down im sure you could be entertained

If he was 'accidentally damaged' after being in your bodyshop, would you admit to it?

[Accidentfreeinnit]

if your bored feel free to pop down im sure you could be entertained

If he was 'accidentally damaged' after being in your bodyshop, would you admit to it?

I don't think that's likely to be a problem. I am sure they carry adequate insurance and my medical bills would not need to be unrecorded.

[SAPD]

Imran I found your dog:

Best Borat voice "what kind of dog is this?"

Don't know what kind of dog it is, but its' bark sounds a little hoarse.

Let's all just hope that no-one gets saddled with a dodgy VXR. Some people should stop posting on this thread but they can't resist a good stirr up.

Edited by SAPD, 10 August 2007 - 07:46 PM.

[ianrm]

I had almost nearly forgotten that one edited to say the stolen car thread.

Edited by ianrm, 10 August 2007 - 07:46 PM.

[Mani]

wow...what have I been missing ! Mani

[ianrm]

Hi Mani. Best start reading now it's a long thread

[Mani]

Hi Mani. Best start reading now it's a long thread

Took me a good hour or so to read...absolutely brill!
I guess people wouldn't have much problem in tracing the history of one so called "yellow" VXR..

[flamy]

Ok so I've just had time to sit down and read this entire thread. Great stuff I wouldn't mind buying a cat d vxr for the right price, but when being blatenly lied about it's a bit of a p*ss take. Imagine if he were to sell it to some unsuspecting victim and they were to find out, Imran I'm sure would be walking around with a few less teeth.

[jules_s]

TBH If Imran had just said 'it's damaged repaired' and priced it accordingly I wouldn't be typing this... It always looked like cosmetic damage to me, certainly nothing too serious. Honesty (in this case) was the best policy.....as posted on seloc 'half the elises would be unsellable if a search was done on ones that had had replacement clams'

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this is now todays chip paper someone want to lock the thread ?

[corrado_vr6]

wow that was some read, interesting throughout but really some of you ppl really need to take a chill pill. from what i can see theres nothing bar cirumstantial evidence against Imran here. some of that is quite compelling, but some of it does sort indicate hes innocent too. the whole thing about the number plates for example seems to indicate that the damage shown IF its the same car happened well before imran took possession if the car the fact the moderators say they have further info is also interesting they are no doubt well known and trusted on such an established forum, but for them to not say what they know is short sighted (and its not against the data protection act either like some idiot suggested) there is no conclusion here (bar some wag from scoobynet pretending to be Imran an saying its all true and hed sold the car. it made me laugh but some people seem to think it really was Imran posting) the only solid thing to come out of this is that a red VXR did have serious damage, but we dont know which one. the really interesting thing and im amazed it hasnt been pointed out yet is that even if everything stated about VXR no 16 is correct Imran himself hasnt actually done anything wrong !!!!! a private seller is under no obligation to tell anyone anything about a car, except for hpi information if asked (and only then if they know it) they do not and never had had to say anything about repaired accident damage. an independant dealer has to say (if he knows) that a car has adverse hpi history, but again is under no obligation to say anhything about repaired accident damage. there is basically a fundamental problem with the hpi system in this country in that the same damage can at different times of a cars life lead to several different results on an hpi check - for example if a car had fairly serious damage to it early on in its life then it might simply be repaired by insurer and thats it - nothing mentioned on hpi, a few yrs later that same damage might cause a cat d indicator to be put on the hpi account and later still in itsl ife a cat c. all this means that whilst hpi is useful, its not always clear whats happened. a better system would be one that tells of all serious damage regardless of how the insurance company dealt with it, but that still wouldnt help us in this case. the bottom line is that no hpi report means that, there is no report. and as such once the car is repaired then no one is under any obligation (except maybe ethically) to tell anyone about it, and if they sell the car on they have committed no fraud, they havent ripped anyone off in legal terms. its all well and fine to jump on the bandwagon guys, but maybe just maybe you ought to find out all the facts before you do so. one last thought. if your spending £20k odd on a car then an RAC/AA inspection should be a priority. If they think a car is ok, then generally it is ok regardless of whether its repaired or not. btw im from england but saw this on a mainly US based forum, so its crossed the pond lol

Edited by corrado_vr6, 10 August 2007 - 09:27 PM.

[jules_s]

wow that was some read, interesting throughout but really some of you ppl really need to take a chill pill.

from what i can see theres nothing bar cirumstantial evidence against Imran here.
some of that is quite compelling, but some of it does sort indicate hes innocent too.

the whole thing about the number plates for example seems to indicate that the damage shown IF its the same car happened well before imran took possession if the car

the fact the moderators say they have further info is also interesting
they are no doubt well known and trusted on such an established forum, but for them to not say what they know is short sighted (and its not against the data protection act either like some idiot suggested)

there is no conclusion here (bar some wag from scoobynet pretending to be Imran an saying its all true and hed sold the car. it made me laugh but some people seem to think it really was Imran posting) the only solid thing to come out of this is that a red VXR did have serious damage, but we dont know which one.


the really interesting thing and im amazed it hasnt been pointed out yet is that even if everything stated about VXR no 16 is correct Imran himself hasnt actually done anything wrong !!!!!

a private seller is under no obligation to tell anyone anything about a car, except for hpi information if asked (and only then if they know it) they do not and never had had to say anything about repaired accident damage.

an independant dealer has to say (if he knows) that a car has adverse hpi history, but again is under no obligation to say anhything about repaired accident damage.


there is basically a fundamental problem with the hpi system in this country in that the same damage can at different times of a cars life lead to several different results on an hpi check - for example if a car had fairly serious damage to it early on in its life then it might simply be repaired by insurer and thats it - nothing mentioned on hpi, a few yrs later that same damage might cause a cat d indicator to be put on the hpi account and later still in itsl ife a cat c.
all this means that whilst hpi is useful, its not always clear whats happened.
a better system would be one that tells orf all serious damage regardless of how the insurance company dealt with it, but that still would help us in this case.

the bottom line is that no hpi report means that, there is no report.
and as such once the car is repaired then no one is under any obligation (except maybe ethically) to tell anyone about it, and if they sell the car on they have committed no fraud, they havent ripped anyone off in legal terms.

its all well and fine to jump on the bandwagon guys, but maybe just maybe you ought to find out all the facts before you do so.


one last thought.
if your spending £20k odd on a car then an RAC/AA inspection should be a priority.
If they think a car is ok, then generally it is ok regardless of whether its repaired or not.

btw im from england but saw this on a mainly US based forum, so its crossed the pond lol

Oh dear, please dont think im jumping down your throat...but

It a VXR....one of 65 in the world and they are all numbered, what are the chances of this being one of the others given the history stated here? I would hazzard near 0%

As for the AA/RAC picking up any damage faults on a specialist car like a VXR?

Very unlikely indeed. Those sort of things would be picked up by a vx/lotus specialist, and unfortunately the bridges have been burned there, because of the self inflicted media coverage of this thread....which after all, is all Imrans doing.