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[whydidisignup]

ROFL @ people just signing up specifically to get in on the action here. oh crap, that's me too...

[fletxhvxr]

hello all from vx-torque.com

Nice to see a forum doing their business, classic thread!!!

BUSTED!!!!!

Sounds like a complete Knob jockey to even go on like he has... Whats up with telling the truth these days?? Youll always get found out.. the world is too smaller place!!!

However if your gonna spend that amount of money on a car get it checked out properly.. That way hopefully these scumbags that lie and get away with it will be caught and named and shamed!!

Now old Imi is going to change his name by depol with the money he got for the VXR lol xx

Edited by fletxhvxr, 10 August 2007 - 09:46 PM.

[paintshield]

wow that was some read, interesting throughout but really some of you ppl really need to take a chill pill.

from what i can see theres nothing bar cirumstantial evidence against Imran here.
some of that is quite compelling, but some of it does sort indicate hes innocent too.

the whole thing about the number plates for example seems to indicate that the damage shown IF its the same car happened well before imran took possession if the car

the fact the moderators say they have further info is also interesting
they are no doubt well known and trusted on such an established forum, but for them to not say what they know is short sighted (and its not against the data protection act either like some idiot suggested)

there is no conclusion here (bar some wag from scoobynet pretending to be Imran an saying its all true and hed sold the car. it made me laugh but some people seem to think it really was Imran posting) the only solid thing to come out of this is that a red VXR did have serious damage, but we dont know which one.


the really interesting thing and im amazed it hasnt been pointed out yet is that even if everything stated about VXR no 16 is correct Imran himself hasnt actually done anything wrong !!!!!

a private seller is under no obligation to tell anyone anything about a car, except for hpi information if asked (and only then if they know it) they do not and never had had to say anything about repaired accident damage.

an independant dealer has to say (if he knows) that a car has adverse hpi history, but again is under no obligation to say anhything about repaired accident damage.


there is basically a fundamental problem with the hpi system in this country in that the same damage can at different times of a cars life lead to several different results on an hpi check - for example if a car had fairly serious damage to it early on in its life then it might simply be repaired by insurer and thats it - nothing mentioned on hpi, a few yrs later that same damage might cause a cat d indicator to be put on the hpi account and later still in itsl ife a cat c.
all this means that whilst hpi is useful, its not always clear whats happened.
a better system would be one that tells of all serious damage regardless of how the insurance company dealt with it, but that still wouldnt help us in this case.

the bottom line is that no hpi report means that, there is no report.
and as such once the car is repaired then no one is under any obligation (except maybe ethically) to tell anyone about it, and if they sell the car on they have committed no fraud, they havent ripped anyone off in legal terms.

its all well and fine to jump on the bandwagon guys, but maybe just maybe you ought to find out all the facts before you do so.


one last thought.
if your spending £20k odd on a car then an RAC/AA inspection should be a priority.
If they think a car is ok, then generally it is ok regardless of whether its repaired or not.

btw im from england but saw this on a mainly US based forum, so its crossed the pond lol

Whilst most of what you say is of course fundamentally correct we are of course assuming IMRAN is a PRIVATE seller, where I do differ here with you is the proposed solution, I am firmly of the opinion that an insurance write off once reimbursement has occured should be precluded from re registration and should be prevented from being put back on the road.

I also disagree with your contention that imran is in the clear here its about expecttion and goods being as described and obtaining money for something that is not as described (allegedly) I believe that may be called deception. It is as you allude a fine line but not one I personally would want to walk in front of a Judge.

You may as well say that the pikeys selling skipped broken plasma tv's are doing nothing wrong, ckearly they are. Its a matter of degree and intent IMHO . There is no hard evidence released from the mods in that you are correct, but neither has Imran addressed the reasonable requests made of him why not is what everyone is asking?


Cheers

[corrado_vr6]

Oh dear, please dont think im jumping down your throat...but

It a VXR....one of 65 in the world and they are all numbered, what are the chances of this being one of the others given the history stated here? I would hazzard near 0%

the numberplate evidence as stated in this thread sort of indicates otherwise.
UNLESS it all happened way before this Imran character bought the car.

As for the AA/RAC picking up any damage faults on a specialist car like a VXR?

Very unlikely indeed. Those sort of things would be picked up by a vx/lotus specialist,

evidence of accident damage/repairs are pretty much the same regardless of make/model.
the RAC/AA inspectors are experts.
they will certainly be able to tell if the car isnt straight.
plus on the 2 occasions ive had a car of mine inspected prior to sale the inspector had a hefty file on that type of car with all the model specific things he needed to check for.

it may be specialised, but its still based on VX220 yes ?
and im sure theyve looked at plenty of those.

and unfortunately the bridges have been burned there, because of the self inflicted media coverage of this thread....which after all, is all Imrans doing.

yes but he hasnt actually done anything wrong legally, ethically is possibly a different matter
as i said before (and the info came from 2 car dealer friends) he isnt obliged to say anything about accident damage.

[benw]

Crikey....just realised I used to work about 100 yards from Iman's garage. I know the place well. I even hired a van from the rental place next door when I moved house! I haven't read the whole thread but has anyone actually been round there yet? I might pop over and check it out tomorrow. And has anyone notified trading standards?

Edited by benw, 10 August 2007 - 09:47 PM.

[v6veccy]

Greetings from www.vectra-sport.com... Just read this, great detective work everyone... cant believe how many have read this!!!

[TangoAlpha]

the whole thing about the number plates for example seems to indicate that the damage shown IF its the same car happened well before imran took possession if the car

IMHO, Imran bought the car as damaged and fixed it up. I don't know to what standard the car has been repaired but going by his behaviour so far, I would worry about how well it was done.

There was a rumour that he damaged it himself after he first fixed it and has since re-repaired it. There is no evidence, circumstantial or not, as to the truth of that.

the fact the moderators say they have further info is also interesting
they are no doubt well known and trusted on such an established forum, but for them to not say what they know is short sighted (and its not against the data protection act either like some idiot suggested)

We have further info but we are respecting the anonymity of our sources. I know it would be better if all the info was out in the open but it isn't. It's nothing to do with the data protection act.

the really interesting thing and im amazed it hasnt been pointed out yet is that even if everything stated about VXR no 16 is correct Imran himself hasnt actually done anything wrong !!!!!

Maybe not, but he is denying that VXR16 has been involved in a major accident when our evidence shows otherwise. I sort of expect car salesmen to bend the truth, but this goes a little bit too far.

All this is IMHO.

[Accidentfreeinnit]

Annoyingly, he was not there. There was no entertainment as promised, nothing whatsoever on the forecourt, but the curry hut round the corner looked lovely. Story of my life, I turn up on a promise and get nowt....

[corrado_vr6]

Whilst most of what you say is of course fundamentally correct we are of course assuming IMRAN is a PRIVATE seller, where I do differ here with you is the proposed solution, I am firmly of the opinion that an insurance write off once reimbursement has occured should be precluded from re registration and should be prevented from being put back on the road.

i cant agree here.
once an insurance payout has been made the car goes onto the register - its then very easy to find out its history.
here again we see the short sightedness of the hpi system as some very minor daage can get a car "written off"
ive seen older cars written off for paint damage. a car under those circumstances needs nothing doing to it to make it road legal

besides these days its a bit more involved as opposed to simply repairing and thats it as the cars now need to get a VIC performed.

I also disagree with your contention that imran is in the clear here its about expecttion and goods being as described and obtaining money for something that is not as described (allegedly) I believe that may be called deception. It is as you allude a fine line but not one I personally would want to walk in front of a Judge.

You may as well say that the pikeys selling skipped broken plasma tv's are doing nothing wrong, ckearly they are. Its a matter of degree and intent IMHO .

unless a car has been specifically written off (and thats a subjective term) by an insurance company then any accident repairs are irrelevant.
yes id love to know whats happened to my car in the past, but no one is legally obliged to tell me unless that car was subejct to the aforementioned insurance write off scenario.

your buying a car in its current condition and as long as its good now then thats all that anyone can ask for

There is no hard evidence released from the mods in that you are correct, but neither has Imran addressed the reasonable requests made of him why not is what everyone is asking?

were the requests reasonable ?
i know i wouldnt be happy giving out information on the V% of any car i owned, epecially not over the internet. and to slate the guy for not doing so is a bit harsh especially when virtually no one took the mods to task for their failure to release info

the fact the moderators say they have further info is also interesting
they are no doubt well known and trusted on such an established forum, but for them to not say what they know is short sighted (and its not against the data protection act either like some idiot suggested)

We have further info but we are respecting the anonymity of our sources. I know it would be better if all the info was out in the open but it isn't. It's nothing to do with the data protection act.

unfortunately thats double standards.
to expect him to give out all the info int he world while you give none (and i can see why u wont name names) isnt fair.

the really interesting thing and im amazed it hasnt been pointed out yet is that even if everything stated about VXR no 16 is correct Imran himself hasnt actually done anything wrong !!!!!

Maybe not, but he is denying that VXR16 has been involved in a major accident when our evidence shows otherwise. I sort of expect car salesmen to bend the truth, but this goes a little bit too far.

caveat emptor

bottom line is (and maybe its not fair) is that unless its on the hpi register and the car isnt a death trap then he doesnt have to say a thing about previous repairs.

dont forget the reason a car goes on the register is not to help ppl in the future, its because a payout has been made on it and that theoretically lessens its future value, basically its to stop a form of double indemnity.

Edited by corrado_vr6, 10 August 2007 - 10:11 PM.

[big boy did it and imran away]

hi! and a warm welcome from the gtir owners club www.gtiroc.com i would like to congratulate you guys on your detective work i for one dont have any problem with repairing a crashed / damaged car, and fair play to the guy who fixed it i think you have made a good job of it now if you had been honest in the first instance you would easily have got 17k for this car, and your reputation intact. The worst thing about this car is its rarity, you see now if it had been any other red car it would have gone on in life unnoticed, but seeing as its one of sixty five cars and its numbered, from now on in this cars life it will always be known as the famous number 16 it is now to vauxhall as herbie is to vw

[Accidentfreeinnit]

Ok then, who believes Imran is an innocent private seller of this car and that he's telling the truth and he had no idea if this car has been in an accident (or that he was monumnetally stupid and did not find out the proper history from the unnamed private trader (?) he bought it from, or that, on the balance of probablilities, he is telling the truth. It's pure coincidence he buys up spare parts for VX220s on Ebay and repairs other VX220s (or his brother does in his name) and he uses his brother's computer in the middle of the night. And who thinks he's working below the tax man's radar buying up damaged repairables, doing them up at the bodyshop and selling them on without telling people whilst pretending he's a private seller to avoid comebacks ?

[jasvxt]

Think this thread should be locked now, there's just no point to it anymore . 1. Imran wont make an admission and doesn't answer direct questions. 2. Mods for the sake of anonymity wont reveal there sources, something i have also had to do, to respect the wishes of others. 3. The word is out, ffs Vxr no 16 even comes up on a google search, job done Well done everyone Jas

[corrado_vr6]

Ok then, who believes Imran is an innocent private seller of this car and that he's telling the truth and he had no idea if this car has been in an accident (or that he was monumnetally stupid and did not find out the proper history from the unnamed private trader (?) he bought it from, or that, on the balance of probablilities, he is telling the truth. It's pure coincidence he buys up spare parts for VX220s on Ebay and repairs other VX220s (or his brother does in his name) and he uses his brother's computer in the middle of the night.

And who thinks he's working below the tax man's radar buying up damaged repairables, doing them up at the bodyshop and selling them on without telling people whilst pretending he's a private seller to avoid comebacks ?

i dont think hes whiter than white.
the car probably is an accident repair job and he probably does know it
but i dont think even if guilty he deserves whats happened on here.
the fact is that as long as the car currently isnt a death trap and isnt on the hpi register then he doesnt need to tell ppl the previous history of the car.



cheating the tax man is another thing entirely.

Edited by corrado_vr6, 10 August 2007 - 10:23 PM.

[paintshield]

3. The word is out, ffs Vxr no 16 even comes up on a google search, job done


Well done everyone




Jas

Boys not wrong its at the top of the search engine

Cheers

Tom

[danVXT]

i dont think hes whiter than white.
the car probably is an accident repair job and he probably does know it

i think he deserves everything he's got and a LOT more

[corrado_vr6]

i dont think hes whiter than white.
the car probably is an accident repair job and he probably does know it

i think he deserves everything he's got and a LOT more

why ?
as ive stated now on several occasions he hasnt broken any rules or laws.

you might not like what hes done, but its not in any way illegal.


as long as the repairs are done to a good standard and the car is as it should be then its all fine, legal and dandy.


the hpi register was set up not to help motorists but to stop the insurance company from paying out twice (double indemnity) on the same vehicle.
the 2 byproducts produced are i. that the value of the car is decreased so should another different acident occur the insurers can value the car lower and ii. the public can find out if the car was subject to a total loss payout.

bottom line is its there for the insurers, not the motorist.

a car loses value once on the register because in the event of a claim the insurer will value it less.
the net effect of that is that people pay less for a car on the register.


this vxr isnt on the register.
no total loss payout has been made.
as such should it be in good working order and become the subject of an insurance total loss then full market value would be paid out.

to the insurance industry it is not worth less money than any other good condition vxr, so it "shouldnt" be worth less to a buyer/seller.

Edited by corrado_vr6, 10 August 2007 - 10:38 PM.

[jules_s]

Oh dear, please dont think im jumping down your throat...but

It a VXR....one of 65 in the world and they are all numbered, what are the chances of this being one of the others given the history stated here? I would hazzard near 0%

the numberplate evidence as stated in this thread sort of indicates otherwise.
UNLESS it all happened way before this Imran character bought the car.

As for the AA/RAC picking up any damage faults on a specialist car like a VXR?

Very unlikely indeed. Those sort of things would be picked up by a vx/lotus specialist,

evidence of accident damage/repairs are pretty much the same regardless of make/model.
the RAC/AA inspectors are experts.
they will certainly be able to tell if the car isnt straight.
plus on the 2 occasions ive had a car of mine inspected prior to sale the inspector had a hefty file on that type of car with all the model specific things he needed to check for.

it may be specialised, but its still based on VX220 yes ?
and im sure theyve looked at plenty of those.

and unfortunately the bridges have been burned there, because of the self inflicted media coverage of this thread....which after all, is all Imrans doing.

yes but he hasnt actually done anything wrong legally, ethically is possibly a different matter
as i said before (and the info came from 2 car dealer friends) he isnt obliged to say anything about accident damage.

You are wrong on so many levels with that.

AA/RAC experts on a limited run fibreglass bodied aluminium chassis sports car?



They couldnt tell you if it was as bent a julian clarey without a full geo and chassis check....and last time I checked loss adjusters dont carry a lazer lined jig with them when they did a 'check'




Once again a person (presumably a carrado owner) making the assumption that they know everything about all cars because they think they know all about theirs.

Sorry corrado...its not the case here

[corrado_vr6]

You are wrong on so many levels with that.

AA/RAC experts on a limited run fibreglass bodied aluminium chassis sports car?



They couldnt tell you if it was as bent a julian clarey without a full geo and chassis check....and last time I checked loss adjusters dont carry a lazer lined jig with them when they did a 'check'




Once again a person (presumably a carrado owner) making the assumption that they know everything about all cars because they think they know all about theirs.

Sorry corrado...its not the case here

im in the motor trade my friend so i have a fair idea what im talking about. (at least id hope i do lol)

the AA/RAC inspections are pretty good.
im pretty certain if they felt a car was beyond them they would respectfully turn down doing an inspection an suggest you take it to a specialist. Dont forget if they do an inspection and fail to spot things they could end up in fairly deep $hit.

basically i was saying have an inspection done as its better safe than sorry and that my first port of call would be AA/RAC



look im not defending the guy - it appears (though itsnt proven) that hes been caught out in a lie and ethically is in the wrong but legally hasnt done anything bad.

should you tell someone about accident damage? well thats down to the individual but please before you slate anyone remember that it isnt a necessity to do so and you cant get into trouble with the law if you dont.

Edited by corrado_vr6, 10 August 2007 - 11:01 PM.