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[goodeg]

As title really, which Pagid pads do you recommend as I have seen both of them mentioned. TIA

Edited by goodeg, 06 May 2008 - 11:57 AM.

[techieboy]

I've got RS4-2's fitted as that's what Plans recommended when they upgraded my braking system. They're fine on the road after the initial application from cold and fantastic on track. They do make an occaisional squeal in slow traffic but not nearly as much as I was expecting. The surprising thing for me, is the noise they make when fully warmed up on track. Squeal like a fecker!

[Winstar]

clicky

Although rumers has it that SBS Protrack are the same compound as RS42 but cheaper.

[burnerblowout]

RS4-2 are good fast road track pad. RS14s are more track orientated with a better fade resistance and temp/friction curve.

[Mr_M]

As others have said - 42's if you do more road than track, 14's if more track than road

Having said that - brakes can be a very personal thing - it depends what you're trying to achieve? If you want a pad that's 95% of the way there for road use* and will do very well on track then get the 42's. If you want the 'ultimate' in stopping power then get 14's - you just need to remember they take a bit of warming up and will squeal like stuck pigs on the road.

* to qualify that before anyone flames me... I know I drive like miss daisy on the road - (and before anyone else says it - yes, some would say on the track too ) - but I never get my brakes & tyres hot enough on the road to get close to the performance they give on track. Of the two I find the brakes will if pushed warm up before the tyres and warmish 14's will overwhlem the grip on cool 888's. ergo, I would say there is no appreciable difference between the 42's and 14's for road use. All IMHO of course

[Personally, having tried Std Cheese, 1155's, SBS ProCarbon, 42's, 14's and 15's, I run 14's front, 15's rear - but my car is set up for track work]

[goodeg]

I think I will go for RS4-2's as I use the car mostly on the road but will do a track day every 6 weeks or so. I had 1144's on my old NA and whilst they were good enough for the road I found that they weren't good enough for the track. I had some performance friction PF97's on the clio cup I had between VX's I found these very good with no fade on track however the dust from them was pretty much impossible to get off the wheels and body work.

[Muncher]

I'm running RS14s on the road and personally I find they work fine from cold, from what I've read and experienced they're the best no holds barred pad. They can squeel a little, the create a lot of brake dust and they chew through (inexpensive) disks but for stopping the car I don't think there's any better.

[burnerblowout]

I think I will go for RS4-2's as I use the car mostly on the road but will do a track day every 6 weeks or so. I had 1144's on my old NA and whilst they were good enough for the road I found that they weren't good enough for the track. I had some performance friction PF97's on the clio cup I had between VX's I found these very good with no fade on track however the dust from them was pretty much impossible to get off the wheels and body work.

If you are a 6 week trackday regular I would consider the RS14s. The RS4-2s are OK but not a big leap up from 1144s. The RS14s ar OK on the road and the 'they need to warm up' before working is very overdone.

[Mr_M]

I'm running RS14s on the road and personally I find they work fine from cold, from what I've read and experienced they're the best no holds barred pad. They can squeel a little, the create a lot of brake dust and they chew through (inexpensive) disks but for stopping the car I don't think there's any better.

I don't disagree at all - it's just that the performance of the RS14's reaches another level when they're really, truly hot (but not cooked ). At road temps (imho) the RS42's run them very very close indeed. The 14's are classed as a race pad for a reason.

btw - the 42's also create a lot less dust and are much kinder to disks....

[Mr_M]

I think I will go for RS4-2's as I use the car mostly on the road but will do a track day every 6 weeks or so. I had 1144's on my old NA and whilst they were good enough for the road I found that they weren't good enough for the track. I had some performance friction PF97's on the clio cup I had between VX's I found these very good with no fade on track however the dust from them was pretty much impossible to get off the wheels and body work.

If you are a 6 week trackday regular I would consider the RS14s. The RS4-2s are OK but not a big leap up from 1144s. The RS14s ar OK on the road and the 'they need to warm up' before working is very overdone.

If you're genuinely going to track every six weeks then RS14's without any question

[techieboy]

I think I will go for RS4-2's as I use the car mostly on the road but will do a track day every 6 weeks or so. I had 1144's on my old NA and whilst they were good enough for the road I found that they weren't good enough for the track. I had some performance friction PF97's on the clio cup I had between VX's I found these very good with no fade on track however the dust from them was pretty much impossible to get off the wheels and body work.

If you are a 6 week trackday regular I would consider the RS14s. The RS4-2s are OK but not a big leap up from 1144s. The RS14s ar OK on the road and the 'they need to warm up' before working is very overdone.

If you're genuinely going to track every six weeks then RS14's without any question

I track every 4-6 weeks and the 4-2's are more than sufficient. If you were doing a 60 minute track session I'd say, without a doubt, go for the 14's or 15's. But I've yet to experience the slightest bit of fade in the 15-20 minute sessions I tend to do before pitting for a break. Maybe the suit me and my style better than for others but I just don't think anything more aggressive is necessary for what is still a road car.

[goodeg]

Although I will be tracking the car quite often it is still my only car which I use every day so don't want pads that only work when warmed up. I think I will go for the 4-2's see what they are like as they will be an improvement on 1144's and a vast improvement on the standard pads that are on the car at the moment.

[Muncher]

The RS14s work fine at low temperatures

[Mr_M]

Although I will be tracking the car quite often it is still my only car which I use every day so don't want pads that only work when warmed up. I think I will go for the 4-2's see what they are like as they will be an improvement on 1144's and a vast improvement on the standard pads that are on the car at the moment.

I have a feeling I'm inadvertantly creating a bit of confusion here, in which case my apologies

Just to echo what Muncher has just said - RS14's work fine when they're cold. Period. Personally I'd be happier with stone cold RS14's than hot 1144's or 55's. My point is just that they do work better when they're (track) hot - and they keep working for longer too - i.e. much more resistant to fade. But to re-iterate, that doesn't mean they don't work when cold.

HTH

[N17VES]

Can' t comment on the 42's but the Seloc guys seem to rate them. The 14's are good, however there are far better pads for road use (plus they are are not road legal). I personally find the RS14's to snatchy for the road with varying braking forces between wheels. I found myself locking just one wheel up when on a spirited drive because the pads are warm but not up to track temps causing varying levels of grip. I now only put the RS14's in week before a trackday - also saves the pennies! ....the RS14's also squeel really badly!

[SteveA]

I thought RS14's were primarily an endurance pad. High Ceramic content which makes them munch discs.

[PaulCP]

Although I will be tracking the car quite often it is still my only car which I use every day so don't want pads that only work when warmed up. I think I will go for the 4-2's see what they are like as they will be an improvement on 1144's and a vast improvement on the standard pads that are on the car at the moment.

I have a feeling I'm inadvertantly creating a bit of confusion here, in which case my apologies

Just to echo what Muncher has just said - RS14's work fine when they're cold. Period. Personally I'd be happier with stone cold RS14's than hot 1144's or 55's. My point is just that they do work better when they're (track) hot - and they keep working for longer too - i.e. much more resistant to fade. But to re-iterate, that doesn't mean they don't work when cold.

HTH

Bed them in properly & they're fine

[john_s]

I thought RS14's were primarily an endurance pad. High Ceramic content which makes them munch discs.

Yes, they do chew through discs... seems to go through a set of discs with a set of pads. No worries though - discs are cheap.

As others have said, I've had no problems with them from cold.

[burnerblowout]

I thought RS14's were primarily an endurance pad. High Ceramic content which makes them munch discs.

Yes, they do chew through discs... seems to go through a set of discs with a set of pads. No worries though - discs are cheap.

As others have said, I've had no problems with them from cold.

Yep, no problems from cold.

Set of discs per set of pads? Are you getting your discs off a pikey from ebay machining them out of a metallic substitute on a lathe that fell off the back of a lorry?

Should be doing much better than that.

[myhifi]

I run RS 14 allround too with Tarox disc. I find them working fine from cold with no squeal. That changes a bit after some miles and squeaking ca be bad in trafic depedning on the temperature. They work great on wet too ! Next combination I will try is DS3000 front and RS14 rear, reported to be nice balance for the Speedster here in France.