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[rcvaughan]

Good evening all. I've just done a HPI on a car I am planning on looking at on Saturday and it has come back with "Data currently held on the National Milage Register (NMR) indicates there may be a mileage discrepancy on this vehicle. Milages as recorded by the National Mileaga Register DATE RECORDED BY MILEAGE READING TOTAL 23/9/2002 Franchised dealer 3661 3661 9/6/2003 Franchised dealer 14 14 22/8/2003 Franchised dealer 69 69 21/04/2004 Franchised dealer 1167 1167 12/9/2004 NMR 1739 1739 12/10/2004 NMR 1000 1000 12/10/2004 NMR 1764 1764 16/11/2004 NMR 1700 1700 17/11/2004 NMR 1700 1700 8/5/2006 NMR 11000 11000 8/5/2006 NMR 11721 11721 8/5/2006 NMR 17000 17000 8/5/2006 NMR 17721 17721 26/8/2008 NMR 20000 20000 26/8/2008 NMR 20400 20400" The car was first registered 1/9/2002. Can anyone explain these figures? They're all over the place! Firstly, why record the mileage more than once on the same date? Secondly, why would the mileage go down!? Finally, why the large mileage jumps? 1700 ---> 11000 and 11721 ---> 17000 Everything else seems honkey-dorey with the HPI report but this whole mileage thing is getting me a tad worried about the history of the vehicle. Current reg is "SA52 TTO" but the car has previously been on private plates "L2 ABP" and "VX 51 ACE". Anyone know the car? Can anyone offer any help/advice with this please? I'm supposed to be viewing the vehicle on Saturday but its over 100 miles away and I'm wondering whether to bother with the trip with all of this mileage discrepancy stuff going on. Thanks, Richard

[techieboy]

Hmmm. Don't know how these "checks" work but could simply be some fcukwit dealership entering made up/guesstimate numbers when the car has been in for servicing/recall work. Wise to be cautious though.

[snoopstah]

Doesn't look too bad, I imagine this is some monkey typing in the wrong thing and then just re-entering it correctly:

12/10/2004 NMR 1000 1000
12/10/2004 NMR 1764 1764

Which is why it's on the same day.

These are probably someone rounding it off or not reading the actual mileage from the car (i.e. asking the owner, how many miles, 'oh about 1700')

16/11/2004 NMR 1700 1700
17/11/2004 NMR 1700 1700

And the big gaps are probably simply because a couple of years have gone by between the entries.

But I dunno, could be an indicator of something dodgy.

[bigp2]

When I was buying mine a few years ago I got a mileage discrepancy on the HPI. In the middle of the (normally increasing) mileage figures there was a 0 entered by some stupid dealer. I don't know if you can get this fixed or if it stuck on the NMR forever. Phil

[rcvaughan]

REALLY strange going from 11,000 to 17,000 on the same day! Perhaps someone misread a seven for a one and then corrected it? The two first ones are very strange/different... Awe, I hate this whole private used car buying lark! Might just go to a dealer offering warranty!

[Yellow_or_black?]

Can't see why it must mean it's dodgy - the beginning and end mileage (and most of the stuff in the middle) seems feasible. How is that a big jump? I do over 10,000 miles a year in the VX, and that jump was over 2 years. As above - I guess the round numbers are guesstimates, and it had clearly been corrected on 8th May to something believable. Who knows why it took numreous attempts. At least in the end, it seems it was right.

Edited by Yellow_or_black?, 28 August 2008 - 10:07 PM.

[rcvaughan]

I guess the big tell will be when I look at the car. Should be fairly obvious whether it is a 20k car or an 80k car I guess! I'm just a bit nervous about buying used as all of my recent cars/bike have been new. YoB... you'll be pleased to know its yellow!

[cheeky_chops]

plenty of service history, MOTs and receipts to tie it all together would be better

[Yellow_or_black?]

YoB... you'll be pleased to know its yellow!

Having reread - I see what you mean about the difference between the first and second records. Would be interesting to know what the deal is with other cars. I didn't have any mileage in the HPI for my VX.

I got mandarin in the end

[slindborg]

I guess the big tell will be when I look at the car.

Should be fairly obvious whether it is a 20k car or an 80k car I guess!

not so clearly...... I've seen some dog rough 20K cars and spangly mint high milers lol Same with any car really

[techieboy]

It's possible the car might also have had a replacement Stack instrument cluster as well. Not sure whether Vauxhall dealers are able to set the correct mileage on a replacement?

[slindborg]

It's possible the car might also have had a replacement Stack instrument cluster as well. Not sure whether Vauxhall dealers are able to set the correct mileage on a replacement?

hasnt Vix had 3 Stacks now and each time its Zerod? or it was someone lol

[Yellow_or_black?]

I thought that - the only real time that might have been done is between the first and second records. The paperwork should record the accurate mileage if the stack has been changed.

[techieboy]

It's possible the car might also have had a replacement Stack instrument cluster as well. Not sure whether Vauxhall dealers are able to set the correct mileage on a replacement?

hasnt Vix had 3 Stacks now and each time its Zerod? or it was someone lol

Bloody hell! I thought he'd mentioned having one done, but three? Hope mine stays the course (although it would be a decent excuse to get a nice programmable motorsport one installed in it's place).

[drgoatboy]

it sure seems strange but you wouldn't bother clocking a car because of a few thousand miles surely? if it jumped from 60k to 40k I would be worried.... Like others have said look at the car and see what it looks like...

[VIX]

It's possible the car might also have had a replacement Stack instrument cluster as well. Not sure whether Vauxhall dealers are able to set the correct mileage on a replacement?

hasnt Vix had 3 Stacks now and each time its Zerod? or it was someone lol

Yep, I'm on Stack No 3 (two new ones in 2004) and the mileage went back to zero each time. I did get the service book stamped up to show the true mileage but would expect any check on my mileage to be all over the place.

[daggles]

Think I'd talk to the owner before making the trip and see if he has an explanation that sounds plausible. Also there a few give aways on higher mileage cars like wear on the seat edges etc. that will give it away. The reason cars with new stacks have mileage oddities is it's nigh on impossible to get the new one one reset, the dealers can't do it and the 'mileage correction' bods that say they can generally can't, so I'd that means that finding a clocked VX isn't impossible but still pretty unlikely. Also because stacks fail with depressing regularity, there must be quite a few cars out there where the mileage record is a bit strange. I guess you are trying to make sure the car hasn't done something like half the mileage again to make any real difference. I think we sometimes forget that the big mechanical bits were designed to lug much heavier kit around and last for for 150k plus.

[The Insider]

rcvaughan you have a pm

[Tfp]

Did it have an owner change on the date of the jump from 11,000 to 17,000 miles? Quite often these discrepancies turn out to be just dealers etc. making a mistake on the entered mileage. Unfortunatley they are almost impossible to sort out/change, trying to talk to Hpi about it is useless, they say that they can only change an entry if they get a letter from the dealer who entered it to say it was a mistake. My advice is to do an experian check to see if the same sort of mileage readings come up. Would be a shame to walk away from a good car for the sake of paperwork errors. On the other hand of course some sh*t could have knocked 6,000 miles of the clock. Check the old MOT certificates on the VOSA website, you will need the doc ref number from the V5 or the current Mot number and the reg.