181 replies to this topic

[Graeme Lambert]

We coud all bung £25 into a pot, buy the car and scrap it itself and use any good spares for the VX community?

 

Just a thought, and I know it's been done before.

 

G

[anz3001]

We coud all bung £25 into a pot, buy the car and scrap it itself and use any good spares for the VX community?

 

Just a thought, and I know it's been done before.

 

G

 

Its the internet, everyone wants their say. Putting their money where their mouth is, i'd be suprised if you find a dozen people that care enough to part with their £25 let alone enough to cover the asking price.

 

As to the strength of the chassis, theyve said its been repaired, it may (or may not) be alot stronger than standard with the repair. Vocky's point about it possibly being sold on to an unsuspecting buyer at some point in the future (by any subsequent owners) is the only worry I see

[fiveoclock]

I'd like to see some photos of the "repaired" chassis

[fezzasus]

Frankly, the less direct way of putting your money where your mouth is, is by buying elsewhere. If they sell that without disclosing information I'm not going to be buying anything else from them. Personally, the fact they said they would scrap the chassis, but instead waited for people to forget about it and then flogged it, is enough to take my business elsewhere.

Edited by fezzasus, 06 September 2013 - 08:59 AM.

[siztenboots]

If this had a race cage in , I am still not sure if I'd want to drive it.

[Graeme Lambert]

 

We coud all bung £25 into a pot, buy the car and scrap it itself and use any good spares for the VX community?

 

Just a thought, and I know it's been done before.

 

G

 

Its the internet, everyone wants their say. Putting their money where their mouth is, i'd be suprised if you find a dozen people that care enough to part with their £25 let alone enough to cover the asking price.

 

 

Totally agree, but while the Vx community is smaller (and with a less pleasing goal at the end of it) we (saab enthusiasts) bought the last 9-3 Griffin off the line for the museum in Trollhattan..

 

http://www.saabsunit...e-last-saab-9-3

 

If enough people felt strongly enough about it, it could be done.

 

G

[peteslag]

 

I hate the fact when someone sells a track/race car that has no cage

When I read the description you didn't mention the chassis damage which in my mind tells me you are hiding the fact due to not stating it

 

 

The Elise,Exige VX all left the factory with only a roll over hoop does that make them not suitable for track use ?

 

I don't do the E bay adds but once i get to work tomorrow will get the guys in the office to change the add

 

Im sorry if we have upset some of you we never intended to do this. we have a very good rep in the Lotus community and really look forward to working with some of you guys in the future.

 

 

 

it's held up for over 50k with the damage, fine to sell it for a track slag.

as long as buyer knows what they're getting it's fine.

 

 

[color=#222222;font-size:10.5pt;]I agree 100% with Bargi, I'm sure that if it were to collapse in a heap of twisted metal it would have done so by now.  ES motorsport have said they will change the ad and have apologised so what's the issue?[/color]

 

ES seem fairly new to the VX community and want to get involved, all we seem to be doing is slag them off!!!  Shame really.

[Zoobeef]

Should still be able to sell it as long as the buyer is aware of the damage. Cutting it up to make sure no-one uses it is part of the nanny state I don't like. Its the buyer decision.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Just looked at the eBay ad and it is up for £10K. That is way too much for a car with a Cat B chassis. 

[fezzasus]

Should still be able to sell it as long as the buyer is aware of the damage. Cutting it up to make sure no-one uses it is part of the nanny state I don't like. Its the buyer decision.

 

If an insurance company were to classify that car as a write off it would be Cat B and the chassis would be cut up, because this has happened privately this hasn't happened. I don't believe it's anything to do with it being a nanny state, it's about protecting people who could buy it without knowing it's history.

 

New buyers tend to be the least informed of any car owner as they have had the least amount of time to inspect the car, not only is this a hidden part of the car that they would have had to specifically search for, but it has a unique construction that the buyer needs to be aware of. On other cars the same damage can be dismissed as 'needs welding'. It's a big ask for any buyer to go in fully informed.

[smiley]

Just looked at the eBay ad and it is up for £10K. That is way too much for a car with a Cat B chassis. 

 

I think it has a temprary silly pricetag untill the add is fully rebuild. (it was 4250 before the cleanup)

Edited by smiley, 06 September 2013 - 10:09 AM.

[Wolfstone]

We coud all bung £25 into a pot, buy the car and scrap it itself and use any good spares for the VX community?

 

Just a thought, and I know it's been done before.

 

G

 

And how would the selling of good spares to the community work?  Who would be the custodian of the spares until they sold and how could you ensure fairness in the sales process to all?  I already have concerns about the transparency of 'for sale' items with items being sold apparently to someone who sent a PM outside of the thread even though another member may have posted in the thread beforehand that they want the item.  Not seeking to reopen the debate about this particular issue but simply pointing out that I don't see how your proposal could work Graeme. 

Edited by Wolfstone, 06 September 2013 - 12:28 PM.

[Graeme Lambert]

 

We coud all bung £25 into a pot, buy the car and scrap it itself and use any good spares for the VX community?

 

Just a thought, and I know it's been done before.

 

G

 

And how would the selling of good spares to the community work?  Who would be the custodian of the spares until they sold and how could you ensure fairness in the sales process to all?  I already have concerns about the transparency of 'for sale' items with items being sold apparently to someone who sent a PM outside of the thread even though another member may have posted in the thread beforehand that they want the item.  Not seeking to reopen the debate about this particular issue but simply pointing out that I don't see how how your proposal could work Graeme. 

 

 

Club president would look after it all. Clearly...

 

Sell the spares to whoever, for whatever price you get, and then the pot of money at the end is divided up between all those who put money in in the first place. To be honest I hadn't really thought about it, as it's a bit different to the Saab where it was bought and placed in the museum, but there would be a way around it. Not sure I was being entirely serious either, though would still maintain its an option.

 

G

[vocky]

from what I remember this particular vx was in poor condition, the engine still smokes oil - so the rings have probably gunged up.

 

It's done over 70k so some parts will need a refurb before reusing them, the clams might have been bonded/glued on once, so probably worth a couple of grand tops in bits.

 

It went to a breakers for a reason ....... to be broken up for what parts are worth selling, I doubt the chassis would sell

[Rusty789]

I thought if a car went to a legitimate breakers it couldn't be bought back for road use?!

[vocky]

I thought if a car went to a legitimate breakers it couldn't be bought back for road use?!

the last owner couldn't bare to rip anyone off, so sold it to a breakers to relieve him of any come backs. A very decent guy

 

The breakers yard sold it for spares to ES motorsport, they decided to sell it on ebay whole and thus create the potential for another innocent person to buy a car which should be scrapped due to the severe chassis damage it sustained early in it's life.

 

This car is just causing misery for people, past, present and probably future

[Rusty789]

Surely somewhere in that whole situation the v5 should of been filled in as scrap as well? Maybe the previous owner should be attending the scrap yard he sold it to with trading standards in tow and questioning why it's back on the road?

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

if this car was presented to insurers it would be cat b:

 

C"ategory B: The bodyshell/chassis should have been crushed.  The vehicle has not been repaired following significant damage. It was deemed too damaged to be repairable however did have salvageable parts."

 

 

Quite frankly, knowing the damage. I would never set my foot in it. After seeing pics of the damage, I don't know how it could even be repaired.

 

Can not and should not be returned to the road.

 

That's not an opinion, this is fact (I work in Insurance, I deal with claims all day, everyday)

[2deano5]

In that case stuwy correct me if I'm wrong but that above only applies if the insurance company take possession of the vehicle after an incident.

 

 

If the owner keeps control of the vehicle they can actually do what they want, and that includes put it back on the road?

 

[Andrew aka Stuwy]

In that case stuwy correct me if I'm wrong but that above only applies if the insurance company take possession of the vehicle after an incident.

 

 

If the owner keeps control of the vehicle they can actually do what they want, and that includes put it back on the road?

 

 

Yes, this is why I said "if this car was presented"

 

however knowing what damage is present the owner would be massively irresponsible, even suggesting that it could be returned to the road.

 

Windows, headlights, rollbarcover ect sold as spare parts... Everything safety related needs to go in the bin.