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[Ormes]

Hi Nev, no worries... I can do either Saturday or Sunday next weekend, but Saturday probably works slightly better... talk later in the week to confirm you are ready

[Nev]

Okies Alex, many thanks. Let me see how many bits I can strap to the engine this week and I'll give you a ring.

[Nev]

Gawd, I've got some nasty bug now and feel lousy

[Nev]

I just rang Halfrauds up to see if they have any running in oil and a 5pk * 905mm belt, they had neither, bloody useless, how can they even call themselves a car accessory shop ?

[techieboy]

Barely any concept of running-in oil in this country. I've never found anything like they do in the States and always ended up using mineral oil.

[siztenboots]

bmw 3 series, e36 before 2000 use 5pk905

 

http://www.eurocarpa...0b6b7bb3

[fezzasus]

I just rang Halfrauds up to see if they have any running in oil and a 5pk * 905mm belt, they had neither, bloody useless, how can they even call themselves a car accessory shop ?

 

Did you really expect anything different. What sort of size customer base do you expect will want running in oil?

[VXT Tim]

Tried OPie Nev?

[Nev]

Ill just have to use ordinary mineral oil, it's most probably much the same as any running in oil so long is it doesn't have any secret additives. Thanks for the tip Steve.

[fezzasus]

Barely any concept of running-in oil in this country. I've never found anything like they do in the States and always ended up using mineral oil.

 

It's just branding. Most running in oils are just low quality additive packages in mono grade oils. 

[Nev]

The engine has most of its bits stuck back on it now. Alex (Ormes) is kindly coming round on Sunday to drop it back in with me. Hopefully it will be up and running soon. Can't wait to drive it with the new ECU and see what it's like.

[techieboy]

 

Barely any concept of running-in oil in this country. I've never found anything like they do in the States and always ended up using mineral oil.

 

It's just branding. Most running in oils are just low quality additive packages in mono grade oils. 

 

 

I thought they were all rich in zinc and other weird and wonderful things that have been stripped from regular oils. You're right though, probably still mostly branding.

[fezzasus]

 

 

Barely any concept of running-in oil in this country. I've never found anything like they do in the States and always ended up using mineral oil.

 

It's just branding. Most running in oils are just low quality additive packages in mono grade oils. 

 

 

I thought they were all rich in zinc and other weird and wonderful things that have been stripped from regular oils. You're right though, probably still mostly branding.

 

 

This could end up quite a long post, let's see.

 

Zinc is an incorrect term - the functional additive is Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate, usually abbreviated to ZDDP or ZDTP. The zinc component is actually just to stabilise the chemical in storage, it's completely non-functional. The dialkyl dithiophosphate salt is the part that reacts with ferrous surfaces to create a protective layer. ZDDP contains phosphorus so damages catalytic converters, the movement to complex catalytic converters has created a new class of oils described as mid or low SAPS oils. Their aim is to reduce the SAPS (sulfated ash, phosphorus) which is damaging to catalytic converters and general ash (non-burnable material) which can block DPFs.

 

These oils have been assigned a new category, (ACEA C category), the existing 'full SAPS' (high ZDDP and high detergent) oils still have as much ZDDP as they have ever had. This is to support older vehicles and in situations where reduced ash oils are not needed (such as high performance petrol engines).

 

Logistically, none of the companies selling running in oils have the capacity to design their own additive packages. They will buy the additive packages from us or one of the other three additive suppliers and brand them as they see fit. Most often they will use the low cost (full SAPS) additive package and combine it with a thick base stock, this minimises costs for them and keeps idiots happy with the mineral oil requirement.

 

The only reason to use mineral oil for running in rather than synthetic is because it's cheaper. The oil type doesn't have any other impact as long as the grade that is selected is within the recommendations of the engine manufacturer. This bit is key, if you use an oil which is too thick or thin then you could face oil starvation or excessive wear. I think the Z22SE engines recommend 0W-30 to 10W-40, I would run in with the thicker then switch to something thinner.

[Nev]

I've found someone local with a 5pk900 belt, Ill give it a go. I guess 5 litres of mineral oil will have to suffice for running in.

[siztenboots]

did you try eurocarparts ? they were showing the 5pk905 in that link above

[Nev]

I don't really want to buy anything online Steve, as nothing will till turn up in the post until Monday or Tuesday. If I buy locally tomorrow morning and fit it immediately, it is even possible that I get the engine in and running by Sunday night.

Edited by Nev, 04 April 2014 - 04:04 PM.

[techieboy]

Eurocarparts site lets you check stock in your local branches and reserve them for collection. Works really well, I reserved something a few weeks ago and about 40 seconds after I'd reserved it online, the branch called to say it was ready and waiting for collection. Exactly the same with GSF as well.

[Ormes]

Eurocarparts site lets you check stock in your local branches and reserve them for collection. Works really well, I reserved something a few weeks ago and about 40 seconds after I'd reserved it online, the branch called to say it was ready and waiting for collection. Exactly the same with GSF as well.

Good point... Nev there is a branch of ECP in Bristol... pretty sure they are open on Saturday too.

 

See you Sunday

[Nev]

Spent a couple more hours sticking various bits onto the engine today. It's all ready apart from offering up the flywheel and clutch assembly and tightening it (which is a 2 man job really to stop the engine cranking round as you tighten the fly bolts.). There is a new pic here: https://sites.google...07---new-engine

Edited by Nev, 05 April 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[jameso]

Nice job nev. Hope it runs good after all this work