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[chris_uk]

but you haven't used it for motorsport only.. so you have used it outside of the intended use.

 

[chris_uk]

and lets be honest, what does "motorsport use only" really mean.? to me it means that a company has made something that isn't street legal and by sticking that phrase on it, it puts the responsibility onto the customer.

 

[fezzasus]

I'm going to side with Nev here. A lifetime warranty is exactly that, however foolish it is to offer one on a motorsport part.

[mbes2]

This company? http://www.nortechpe...e.com/warranty/ I would more so suspect its a limited lifetime warranty.

Edited by mbes2, 10 July 2016 - 05:43 AM.

[Nev]

This company? http://www.nortechpe...e.com/warranty/ I would more so suspect its a limited lifetime warranty.

 

That website and that wording did not exist in that format when I ordered the part (as is the nature of any website).

 

He now only offers 2 year warrantee.

Edited by Nev, 10 July 2016 - 06:21 AM.

[mbes2]

This company? http://www.nortechpe...e.com/warranty/ I would more so suspect its a limited lifetime warranty.

  That website and that wording did not exist and has hence changed since I ordered the part (as is the nature of any website).   He now only offers 2 year warrantees.

Can't you get it fix or patched to be stronger?

[Nev]

 

 

This company? http://www.nortechpe...e.com/warranty/ I would more so suspect its a limited lifetime warranty.

  That website and that wording did not exist and has hence changed since I ordered the part (as is the nature of any website).   He now only offers 2 year warrantees.

Can't you get it fix or patched to be stronger?

 

 

I've had it welded in a fully purged booth from both sides by a real pro. I still need to heat cycle it, skim it and inspect it, which I'll be doing on a friends lathe in a couple of days. If no cracks appear after that then I'll stick it back on the car.

 

Hopefully it might then work without any more cracks appearing, time will tell.

 

At least this remedy only cost £30 so far. Replacing it with a whole new manifold and consequential rework of the downpipe to mate with a new (different manifold shape) would be something like £1000 to £1500 not to mention lots of hassle and time off the road which I hate.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Nev, 10 July 2016 - 06:57 AM.

[siztenboots]

courtenay sport cast log manifold has the tial fitted, but V band turbo fitting , £599 http://www.courtenay...t/info_162.html

[Nev]

courtenay sport cast log manifold has the tial fitted, but V band turbo fitting , £599 http://www.courtenay...t/info_162.html

 

Thanks, yep I am aware of that one, though I'd also have to buy a new turbine housing to mate with it, so that would be an extra expense.

 

Lets see how my re-welded one does, if I am lucky it will hang together. Even if it doesn't, the next time I would grind out the cracks into V-sections to make the welders job easier and try again.

 

Fingers crossed.  

Edited by Nev, 10 July 2016 - 08:49 AM.

[Doctor Ed]

Fully purged booth and welded by a 'real pro', but didn't prep the cracks? wtf?

[vocky]

but you haven't used it for motorsport only.. so you have used it outside of the intended use.

 

 

my personal take on 'Motorsport use only' is that it means that is was designed for race use - thus should be removed and inspected after each race, so basically sod off if it breaks

Edited by vocky, 10 July 2016 - 09:31 AM.

[chris_uk]

absolutely 

[KurtVerbose]

During WW2, only the Americans were "daring" enough to use turbo chargers on their aero engines (e.g. the P38 - one of the fastest prop planes ever). In the UK the manufacturers refrained from doing so, because we could not guarantee access to the precise metallurgy (both the metals and the casting process). Instead we went down the supercharger route for the Merlin etc, so we didn't need the exotic metals.

 

It's true the British never really went down the turbocharger route, but there were several reasons for this.

 

Firstly, on the Merlin the exhaust contributed greatly to the high speed of the aeroplane. At high speed there is something like 300lb of thrust from the exhaust - which makes a real difference when the prop is rapidly loosing efficiency due to sonic effects. To put this in context, at high speed/high altitude a merlin is only making something like 900lb of thrust in total. A turbine in the exhaust would loose a lot of this.  

Secondly, everyone knew piston engines were not the future - gas turbine engines were, and we all know that gas turbine blades even today have the most exotic materials and manufacturing techniques. This didn't stop Curtis Wright, then the biggest engine maker, from carrying on regardless with piston engines - even with a turbo compound where the energy from the exhaust gasses drove a turbine geared to the crank. You never hear much about Curtis Wright these days - the kodak of their day. There were no big pistons of note from the UK after the Bristol Centaurus, while the yanks were making turbo compounds and corn-cob 28 cylinder radials.

 

Anyway, sorry about your manifold Nev. I tend to agree with lifetime warranty, but the least they could have done is be open with you, inspected the part and given you real reasons for not honouring their warranty. Seems right from the begining they just weren't very interested.

[Nev]

 

but you haven't used it for motorsport only.. so you have used it outside of the intended use.

 

 

my personal take on 'Motorsport use only' is that it means that is was designed for race use - thus should be removed and inspected after each race, so basically sod off if it breaks

 

 

Even if I stripped it down and inspected it every time I drove it (which is wholely unrealistic) it wouldn't change the fact that it still broke along a manufacturing weld (i.e. a manufacturing fault).

 

Some of you seem to be completely missing the key points. It was warranted, it broke, it should be fixed/replaced.

Edited by Nev, 10 July 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[fiveoclock]

 

 

but you haven't used it for motorsport only.. so you have used it outside of the intended use.

 

 

my personal take on 'Motorsport use only' is that it means that is was designed for race use - thus should be removed and inspected after each race, so basically sod off if it breaks

 

 

Even if I stripped it down and inspected it every time I drove it (which is wholely unrealistic) it wouldn't change the fact that it still broke along a manufacturing weld (i.e. a manufacturing fault).

 

Some of you seem to be completely missing the point. It was warranted, it broke, it should be fixed/replaced.

 

You're missing the pont. The point is you didnt use it as intended and stated and as required by the warranty.

[Nev]

So called motorsport use (which is an almost meaningless statement) would be a harder environment for it, yet it can't cope with normal road use. ie if it cant cope with road use heat, then it would also fail with "motorsport" use heat. In other words both would have made it fail.

 

Anyway, I'm not going to argue the toss with you people, some of you have nasty chips on your shoulders and always react with negativity and lack of logic. What counts for me anyway is that the matter is in hand.

 

Edited by Nev, 10 July 2016 - 10:37 AM.

[tibby]

Sad to hear. But that's my life with speedsters. Every tuner etc.... is nice to you and will promise everything you want. But when the troubles start you're left alone. I did have A LOT of big names in the speedster/tuning bussines and they ALL left me behind! I did cost me A LOT of money.

 

Now  i found a few guys who help me. I've got my main tuner who i ALWAYS can count on and there's a good speedster garagist in the Netherlands.

 

Hope you get things sorted.....

 

 

[The Batman]

Hope ya get it fixed nev Don't let it ruin your summer for the sake of a few quid tho

[Nev]

Sad to hear. But that's my life with speedsters. Every tuner etc.... is nice to you and will promise everything you want. But when the troubles start you're left alone. I did have A LOT of big names in the speedster/tuning bussines and they ALL left me behind! I did cost me A LOT of money.

 

Now  i found a few guys who help me. I've got my main tuner who i ALWAYS can count on and there's a good speedster garagist in the Netherlands.

 

Hope you get things sorted.....

 

 

 

Thanks, yes, there are VERY few companies that I would trust any more if I were ever to go though it all again.

 

Only Pro Alloy springs to mind as being really great, always happy to help, instantly fix/replace things for free (even when they fall out of warrantee) and are al round professional and willing to take responsibility for their work. This is key to why they have grown into a big company now, where as the Nortech bloke I was dealing with is still a 1 man band due to terrible customer response (you should read the MIGWEB threads about him!).

 

 

 

[Mike (Cliffie)]

 

 

Of course if I did post it to him, it might mysteriously "disappear" once in his hands and then he'd suddenly become "hard to get hold of" and it would probably take a court case to get him to replace it under the warrantee. Also, in this situation I would then not even have the manifold in my hands to put back on to limp the car to an exhaust place to have a new one fitted to a modified downpipe - a situation I don't want to find myself in. Basically we've all unfortunately met these people who don't honour their guarantees and throw as many hurdles for you jump over just to get them to do the right thing.

 

 

Anyway, DO NOT BUY FROM NORTECH PERFORMANCE.

 

Sad and angry Nev.

 

 

 

Edited by Mike (Cliffie), 10 July 2016 - 10:54 AM.