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#741 Duncan VXR

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:00 AM

Nev 'MAN UP' :P :D :D The Omega of doom can break traction over the white stuff and has very little power for its weight poof alas it does need reving to 7k to find any real power though lol You are def going to have to take into account tyre temps especially as the weather starts to cool but always found the idea of TC on a vx some what wrong based on its back to basics driving experience. Always nice to have the fear of death in the back of your head to control your throttle inputs Break some traction and use that diff :P Seriously spend a few hundred on walshy days, airfield day, track day and you will enjoy it more than TC and wider tyres controlling it all for you. And if you still feel its needed then spend the money in the future I love the fack my track beast will kill me if I drive like and idiot and cant just be WOT it everywhere :groupjump: and with no windscreen and been too big for the car certainly adds to the drama DG

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:25 AM

Nev, Stop being a fairy, the only traction control you need is your right foot and given the weight of the car I would not go for wider tyres. You just need to sort the brakes and learn to drive the car. If you are going to Angelsey, I would get as much practice as possible otherwise there will be a part of the Irish sea with your name on it. Steve

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:34 AM

:blush: Wibble !

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:34 AM

:blush: Wibble !


Thats you told Nev!! Haha.

When i get my new car i'll definatly be doing a trip down to yours or a meet in your area.

I have feelings it could be the spring though seeing as the next car will definatly be fair weather only

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 11:58 AM

You will be most welcome Mark. Are you still keen on the Noble M400? Seems a shame to lose your out of 'the VX fold'.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 01:36 PM

Few things might be more fun in life than driving a VX with a proper set up TC. Who tells a different story maybe has never experinced this in first person. Doubles the driving pleasure and dynamics in a way I never thought would be possible. ;) And in the most-improbable-incredible-unlikely-to-happen moment you ever will lose grip in a moment you really relied on it and possibly not being a 100% concentrated and in 1A condition it probably will save your car. And your ass as well. Seen some people thinking TC was a toy nobody needs that did in fact sound clearly different after a decent testdrive. Just give it a try. In awake moments you need the thrill you may always switch it off. But it works so perfect, I am sure you will only switch it off if you intentionally want to show off burning some serious rubber. Any other situation you will enjoy it working and the fun it gives you driving. Sorry for my english, may read a little clumsy.:sleep:

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 02:25 PM

Hi Carsten, I think I agree with you. Though I have never driven a car with TC, I can imagine that if it works well it would make the difference between being on the road one second and off the next second, or worse still the difference between alive or dead. I know a lot of people think Im being a bit of a pussy and joking about etc, but the torque/power is completely overwhelming. I am not a timid driver (hence why I found my original 305 BHP boring) but I now find myself cringing every time in-boost. I am experienced enough to know it would just be a matter of time before something nasty happens... hence what Carsten says is wise words. I am tempted to not bother getting larger wheels, as I can't see an extra 4cm of rear rubber making that much difference, where as a well setup TC would be way more effective. The only thing I fear is about 12 hours of electrical mayhem in my garage, I have recently come over all lazy now that the car actually works. :mellow:

Edited by Nev, 17 August 2011 - 02:32 PM.


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Posted 17 August 2011 - 03:02 PM

Hi Nev, Well done buddy, great read this post. Get a good vid up, with you screaming while driving your beast! Imnotworthy

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 04:51 PM

You will be most welcome Mark. Are you still keen on the Noble M400? Seems a shame to lose your out of 'the VX fold'.


Yeah still looking for one. Theres only 1 M400 for sale at the minute though and im not keen on red. Hopefully the winter will bring a couple more.

I need to find a good excuse to buy a cat c or d i think. Hmmm a Mrs with a driving license and a passion for sports cars may help. Shame it doesnt list those traits on plentyoffish.com haha

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 05:35 PM

Hello Nev. The TC will make your car so much better. I have driven very powerful cars such as yours both with and without TC. When it works as it should then it is a joy and will enhance your velocity, which clearly is what you are about. To have all that power and not be able to nail it is some what pointless don't you think? Things will only get worse from here on in with the bad weather coming in so short a time. I have fitted TC to vehicles. My advice...... if anyone here has fitted it to a VX that would be a good starting point. I have yet to fit one that did not need a whole bunch of extra work than what the manufacturers said. Korkey.

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 08:52 PM

That much power shouldn't be hard to control :-)

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 09:25 PM

What tyres did you have on for that damp session Chris?

Edited by VXT Tim, 17 August 2011 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2011 - 02:33 PM

Thats a good video Chris, thanks, lots of slow to fast sections of acceleration. I think my car responds roughly similarily to yours with a similar amount of snaking from the back end. It's just that on the road 'snakeing' is something to be avoided IMO (unless it's wide and no other cars around). Your off-boost to on-boost transition is really well mapped, I can see why you say you have no lag.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 05:28 PM

Nev... I will second that you should get TC...I wouldn,t do without it and I only have 360bhp, As you know when you do lose it on boost in a short wheel base car its very easy to spin it right round, trust me I,ve done it and yes its generally harmless on track, wouldn,t like to see the results on the road. Racelogic TC very easy to adjust anyway from 0 to 25% slip. PS forgot to email you the dyno graph...will get on it now.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 05:42 PM

Peter, I know you installed your own TC, so here's a couple of questions: 1: How long did it take (including all the research/headscratching/debuggging/work) ? 2: Is it running 100% effectively with no bugs? 3: Did you buy the kit with the extra long loom? 4: Is the 'digital controller' really worth while? 5: Can you help me install mine if I get a kit ?! :gayfight: 6: Did you use Castens DIY guide (user CS_ on here) ? Pip pip, Nev.

Edited by Nev, 18 August 2011 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 18 August 2011 - 05:51 PM

Hi Nev,

Well done buddy, great read this post.

Get a good vid up, with you screaming while driving your beast!

Imnotworthy


Thanks Mark, once the slime evorates from the roads here I will try and get out with the video camera. Though, I am on holiday from tomorrow, so it won't be for a while unless I get out quickly tomorrow night.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 06:57 PM

In the same order as your questions my reply is: 1. 1 hr to decide I wanted it enough to buy, 1 day to fit but I didn,t fit it, I gave it to Tom my mechanic who fitted it with his auto electrician, but once you sus out the wiring diagram its fairly straightforward. 2. 99%, occasionally it will put the ECM llight up on the dash but it then goes out. 3. No, I didn,t know it existed until it was too late, I would buy it in hindsight, so I was a little restricted in where I could mount the TC module, in the end I went in the boot. 4. Probably not but I thought it looked better than a dial lol. 5. see 1, I,m probably not your 1st choice lol 6. Did search for previous guides for installation and found a couple of useful bits, about what colour wires represent each wheel sensor at abs module, and general wiring diagrams to cross ref with Racelogic booklet.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:00 PM

Nev speak to 2deano5 he fitted his himself thumbsup

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 07:25 PM

Thanks for the info chaps.

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Posted 18 August 2011 - 10:03 PM

@Nev Two weeks ago we had the annual VX220-meeting in Bitburg. I had the opportunity to be a passenger in a SC'ed VX which has been equipped with the TC by some other guy from one of the german forums. He took my installation instructions as a blueprint not asking one question about it. He simply fitted it and it works perfect. He did a very good job there obvoiusly. And again one of my ABS line filters does its job so you can set up the TC to work from 10km/h / 1300RPM up not getting any unwanted cuts. Was a joy to experience that car, knowing my installation manual has been taken to do the mod and the result is simply perfect. But take into account: pure installation took me about a week of work. In an OEM fashion of course. Wouldn't do it with less acuracy. Waterproof sealed AMP connectors, properly bundled cable harnesses with TESA 51608 fleece tape the automotive industry uses for their original wirings. Take some time, get the power supply at the right places (grounding point is most delicate for a failure free function) and use my standard software setup as a starting point. You can save MUCH time using this. It took me many days and nights for test driving, optimization, writing new setups, documentation etc. The result is the (I think) most comprehensive evaluated setup for this unit used with VX220s and Lotus Elises and Exiges. Had intense mail contact with Mike Broadbent from RL during the weeks of system implementation and setup. He told me that all cars using the Lotus Elise base share the same issue: you have problems with battery ground because of the many plastic parts. And all cars of this type he knows which are equipped with the RL TC have problems with signal spikes on the ABS lines below about 30...40km/h, forcing the starting point for the TC to 30km/h or more. I didn't want to accept that! So as an engineer in R&D for automotive hardware I started to experiment on calming down the signals ond the ABS line connections going to the TC. After some try and error I came down to a filter network that is doing its job very well. Sold 20 of them in germany in a first batch. Second batch is just starting to be prepared. So as a resumee: I spent a lot of time and money to get a really good setup of the TC in the VX220. But it was well worth the work. Even Mike Broadbent congratulated me via mail when he saw my solution. He did not think that it could be possible to get the TC working down to 10km/h with this type of car. It is. :) If you have a power of 400HP+ a properly installed TC is absolutely mandatory. This is not a matter of fear or incapabilty of driving. This high power needs more control the right foot is able to provide physically. Especially with a Turbo Charger there is a much to big lag between the pedal and the engine reaction. In some cases this time lag leads to losing control of the car, don't care how fast your reaction was, the engine is too slow, by far not as direct as any N/A. The TC has a big advantage over this, it overcomes this lag by just cutting injection pulses, so power loss is spontaneous, without any lag. The moment the TC detects a loss of grip, the power is instantly reduced, even under full boost. That's an absolutely great thing! And it's fun to play with. Driving gets even more exciting with the TC, but it gets safer too.thumbsup

Edited by cs_, 18 August 2011 - 10:06 PM.





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