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[Ken993T]

My best lap was a fluke quiet lap back in June '09.

You can't leave it at that, fluke or not it still counts, so what is it ?

Sorry missed the video

I managed 2.15.5 in my VXR220 but that was a few years ago

[Ken993T]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUIxormdQQE&NR=1

Nice driving, you should get an Elise and come racing

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Now can you tell me how you got round Copse so dammn quick?

Watchin the rear face cam that's where you made all the time, and carried so much speed up towards Maggots!!

Yeah and if your fat yellow arse had not been holding me up, I would have been long gone!

[Paulo]

Hello, it's Mr Angry

Hi Eugene,

I was the guy waiting for an instructor when Pete and you discussed the issue in question. I have to say you did apologise to me if I was the person who complained for which I can only commend even though I wasn't.

When I then went out with my instructor he did say it wasn't the first complaint they had that day but as I didn't have any first hand experience I cannot comment. I was however really surprised to return to the pits to hear what happened and seriously thought it was two different people.

I am an average driver and do try not to hold people up but again when I come across others who are slower I was remember our plastic cars don't take much to damage. So i give people respect and distance as I don't want to damage my car nor would I expect anyone to appear up the inside without consideration. Just remember we are not as skilled as your good self so you need to expect the unexpected from the car in front unless your willing to accept if someone less experienced turns in because they didn't check there mirrors.

Your clearly more experienced than those on the day and we could clearly learn from you but frustrations should be left at the gate when we enter the track. I attend track days particularly LOT days as the standard of driving is very good and the people are along for a bit of a laugh more than anything else which I hope you can appreciate.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

My best lap was a fluke quiet lap back in June '09.

You can't leave it at that, fluke or not it still counts, so what is it ?

No it was only a fluke that the lap was empty. It was 2:18 but I'm confident I can beat that!!!!!!!!

[Mike (Cliffie)]

My best lap was a fluke quiet lap back in June '09.

You can't leave it at that, fluke or not it still counts, so what is it ?

Sorry missed the video

I managed 2.15.5 in my VXR220 but that was a few years ago

I did a 2:18 in my NA last year.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Nice driving, you should get an Elise and come racing

Cheers dude, would love to but I can't afford it at the mo. I am doing Time Attack next season

[cnrandall]

It's very hard for race guys to revert to the track day mindset and I too have been on the end of many, many bollockings at LOT days for what others deem as aggressive driving. Each time I've felt that my driving was completely safe but also it was right that a reprimand be issued because a track day, by it's nature, is a non-competitive event. Personally I don't like the overtake by consent rule as it's so hard to judge and VERY frustrating when you get stuck behind somebody for long periods of time when you could quite happily overtake in safety otherwise. To another racer, Eugene's overtake looked more than safe and he was miles away from both the cars he was passing but then I can see that he failed to recognise the rules he should have done. I think the route of the problem is the near impossible task of making racers behave like track day drivers as the mentality is just so different.

[WrightStuff]

It's very hard for race guys to revert to the track day mindset and I too have been on the end of many, many bollockings at LOT days for what others deem as aggressive driving. Each time I've felt that my driving was completely safe but also it was right that a reprimand be issued because a track day, by it's nature, is a non-competitive event. Personally I don't like the overtake by consent rule as it's so hard to judge and VERY frustrating when you get stuck behind somebody for long periods of time when you could quite happily overtake in safety otherwise. To another racer, Eugene's overtake looked more than safe and he was miles away from both the cars he was passing but then I can see that he failed to recognise the rules he should have done. I think the route of the problem is the near impossible task of making racers behave like track day drivers as the mentality is just so different.

I don't see how you can say the overtake was completely safe. From Eugenes perspective certainly there was plenty of room and he was lapping quickly, but....
JJJ already said that he only just spotted him coming up the inside as he was about to turn in, taking his normal (hard over right) line into maggots. Attention forwards and, if rules were being followed, not expecting an overtake there. This hard over right was not an invitation for somebody to dive up the inside!
No consent given. Approach to a bend. Dangerous.
I think frustration is a poor argument. We all get stuck behind slower cars. If you can't stick to the rules, which are there to keep everybody, of mixed abilities safe then you shouldnt be there. But I will concede that some drivers take longer than they should to get out of the way which does make the situation worse.

[techieboy]

We all get stuck behind slower cars. If you can't stick to the rules, which are there to keep everybody, of mixed abilities safe then you shouldnt be there. But I will concede that some drivers take longer than they should to get out of the way which does make the situation worse.

Indeed, I spent 2 laps behind one of Eugene's MX-5's (no idea if he was in the passenger seat at the time though) waiting patiently for an indication that I was okay to overtake. Kept backing off then a Honda snuck in ahead of me and was immediately waved past. Second I went to do the same, door was slammed shut. If I didn't know better, I might start to imagine there was some residual anti-VX sentiment there.....

[Dave E]

Couple more videos... First starring MAXR Last run of the day

[Mike (Cliffie)]

It's very hard for race guys to revert to the track day mindset and I too have been on the end of many, many bollockings at LOT days for what others deem as aggressive driving. Each time I've felt that my driving was completely safe but also it was right that a reprimand be issued because a track day, by it's nature, is a non-competitive event. Personally I don't like the overtake by consent rule as it's so hard to judge and VERY frustrating when you get stuck behind somebody for long periods of time when you could quite happily overtake in safety otherwise. To another racer, Eugene's overtake looked more than safe and he was miles away from both the cars he was passing but then I can see that he failed to recognise the rules he should have done. I think the route of the problem is the near impossible task of making racers behave like track day drivers as the mentality is just so different.

Apologies Chris but bollox.

I am a racer and I can behave myself and if you are a racer and know you cannot behave yourself, stick to test days. Having said that Chris, I have had a few track days when you have been on circuit and have NEVER had an issue with you and trust me, you have been past me once or twice...

Edited by Cliffie, 09 October 2010 - 03:24 PM.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

It's very hard for race guys to revert to the track day mindset and I too have been on the end of many, many bollockings at LOT days for what others deem as aggressive driving. Each time I've felt that my driving was completely safe but also it was right that a reprimand be issued because a track day, by it's nature, is a non-competitive event. Personally I don't like the overtake by consent rule as it's so hard to judge and VERY frustrating when you get stuck behind somebody for long periods of time when you could quite happily overtake in safety otherwise. To another racer, Eugene's overtake looked more than safe and he was miles away from both the cars he was passing but then I can see that he failed to recognise the rules he should have done. I think the route of the problem is the near impossible task of making racers behave like track day drivers as the mentality is just so different.

Apologies Chris but bollox.

I am a racer and I can behave myself.

Mike. Please! We NEVER behave ourselves! How many dodgy overtakes have we been guilty of? I've got vids of you doing ten times worse than that, and me follwing you straight through

Eugene got told off, let off some steam at us unecassarily (which he's apologised for) and that's how the story goes...

[Mike (Cliffie)]

It's very hard for race guys to revert to the track day mindset and I too have been on the end of many, many bollockings at LOT days for what others deem as aggressive driving. Each time I've felt that my driving was completely safe but also it was right that a reprimand be issued because a track day, by it's nature, is a non-competitive event. Personally I don't like the overtake by consent rule as it's so hard to judge and VERY frustrating when you get stuck behind somebody for long periods of time when you could quite happily overtake in safety otherwise. To another racer, Eugene's overtake looked more than safe and he was miles away from both the cars he was passing but then I can see that he failed to recognise the rules he should have done. I think the route of the problem is the near impossible task of making racers behave like track day drivers as the mentality is just so different.

Apologies Chris but bollox.

I am a racer and I can behave myself.

Mike. Please! We NEVER behave ourselves! How many dodgy overtakes have we been guilty of? I've got vids of you doing ten times worse than that, and me follwing you straight through

Eugene got told off, let off some steam at us unecassarily (which he's apologised for) and that's how the story goes...

C'mon Jimmy, lets keep those videos to ourselves eh? I don't recall any moment when we have stomped into a garage and called the entire crew a bunch of girls.

I have no great desire to continue this discussion either. I have the feeling Eugene's behaviour was out of character and the more this goes on the more embarrassed he will be.

[Sutol]

not being the fastest on track I have developed a sort of 6th sense as to when a "bold" passing manoevre is coming. For instance in Dave's last video i didn't indicate but I knew he was coming through so gave a slight lift. There was no real point in indicating as he would have been alongside before the first flash.

[Ken993T]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox. I've done hundreds of trackdays and nobody sits there waiting for the car in front to indicate, particuarly on a trackday advertised as not for novices, you girls would really not like an RMA trackday with overtaking both sides. I'll now put my tin hat on and go and hide.

[VXT Tim]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox.

I've done hundreds of trackdays and nobody sits there waiting for the car in front to indicate, particuarly on a trackday advertised as not for novices, you girls would really not like an RMA trackday with overtaking both sides.

I'll now put my tin hat on and go and hide.

As an outsider to this, I don't think it's about that.
It's about the incident in the garages afterwards

[Dave E]

not being the fastest on track I have developed a sort of 6th sense as to when a "bold" passing manoevre is coming. For instance in Dave's last video i didn't indicate but I knew he was coming through so gave a slight lift. There was no real point in indicating as he would have been alongside before the first flash.

I am very sorry if it was a little rude sir , but in my defence I waited for what looked a deliberate moved to the right before going through. Right off to sit on the naughty step

Dave

[Sutol]

not being the fastest on track I have developed a sort of 6th sense as to when a "bold" passing manoevre is coming. For instance in Dave's last video i didn't indicate but I knew he was coming through so gave a slight lift. There was no real point in indicating as he would have been alongside before the first flash.

I am very sorry if it was a little rude sir , but in my defence I waited for what looked a deliberate moved to the right before going through. Right off to sit on the naughty step

Dave

not needed mate, I knew where you were and you knew where i was, therefore no problem. This example actually backs up what Eugene previously mentioned. However I have had situations where the car behind has ended up in my blind spot and then it does get a bit tricky.

[Eugene Obrien]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all. I wasn't in the car at the time; anyone who has come up to pass me when I'm driving knows I take great pride in indicating and letting faster cars past at the first opportunity. Whovever was driving my MX5 at the time should ideally have indicated. But really, for a VX220 driver to not be able to safely pass a 20 year old 1.6 MX5 (120BHP, 1100kgs with driver, cheap road tyres) is truly sad. Eugene