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[Dave E]

not being the fastest on track I have developed a sort of 6th sense as to when a "bold" passing manoevre is coming. For instance in Dave's last video i didn't indicate but I knew he was coming through so gave a slight lift. There was no real point in indicating as he would have been alongside before the first flash.

I am very sorry if it was a little rude sir , but in my defence I waited for what looked a deliberate moved to the right before going through. Right off to sit on the naughty step

Dave

not needed mate, I knew where you were and you knew where i was, therefore no problem. This example actually backs up what Eugene previously mentioned. However I have had situations where the car behind has ended up in my blind spot and then it does get a bit tricky.

Cheers, I was feeling bad about it, can I come off the naughty step now

[VIX]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox.

I strongly disagree, it's what makes it all (relatively) safe, particularly when there are cars with vastly different levels of performance and drivers with vastly different levels of skill (whatever they might think). The twat Driving God in a Porsche who overtook me without consent into Vale on a recent Gold Track day and managed to smack the front of my car as he cut me up being a case in point. If you want to race then race. And no I wouldn't do an RMA day nor would I do another Gold Track day.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all. I wasn't in the car at the time; anyone who has come up to pass me when I'm driving knows I take great pride in indicating and letting faster cars past at the first opportunity.

Whovever was driving my MX5 at the time should ideally have indicated. But really, for a VX220 driver to not be able to safely pass a 20 year old 1.6 MX5 (120BHP, 1100kgs with driver, cheap road tyres) is truly sad.

Eugene

Eugene... Just when they were coming around to you, you go and say summit silly.... If there's a queue of three or four cars waiting to get by said MX5? What do YOU do then personally?? Do the lot up the inside? Or curse the selfish bastard driving the MX5 and be patient?

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all.

Eugene

are we talking about techieboy (matt) .........

[Sutol]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all.

Eugene

are we talking about techieboy (matt) .........

the personification of a gentleman on track. Knowing Matt he was not hassling the guy and waiting for the invitation.

[Crazyfrog (Fab)]

the personification of a gentleman on track. Knowing Matt he was not hassling the guy and waiting for the invitation.

....track day is to enjoy and to be safe i think
oh well matt as always been like that and prefer safety first

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox.

I've done hundreds of trackdays and nobody sits there waiting for the car in front to indicate, particuarly on a trackday advertised as not for novices, you girls would really not like an RMA trackday with overtaking both sides.

I'll now put my tin hat on and go and hide.

You are winning no friends on here by using that sort of language, it was pretty much that type of insult that got your mate into this.

I too have done more than three track days and I will do my very best to wait for consent, if for some reason I do step out of line, I seek out the car's owner and bloody well apologise, not go at him raving like a loon and call him a girl.

I love an RMA track day almost as much as I like test days as I am more than capable of holding my own in fact none of the VX220 driving abilities or standards are under discussion here. The issue was Eugene by his own admission I shall repeat that for those that are hard of reading BY HIS OWN ADMISSION did not follow the rules and was out of order, got reported for the fifth time that day and was excluded.

We can debate what we believe to be safe practice and what we think should be the rules from now till Hell freezes over but it will change Jack sh**. We do track days and by doing so we agree to drive to the rules and standards set out.

Now I didn't know it was Eugene in the car and maybe, just maybe I would have had a word with him directly rather than speak to Pete if I had known. I just wonder if I would have had the same angry reaction.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox.

I've done hundreds of trackdays and nobody sits there waiting for the car in front to indicate, particuarly on a trackday advertised as not for novices, you girls would really not like an RMA trackday with overtaking both sides.

I'll now put my tin hat on and go and hide.

You are winning no friends on here by using that sort of language, it was pretty much that type of insult that got your mate into this.

I too have done more than three track days and I will do my very best to wait for consent, if for some reason I do step out of line, I seek out the car's owner and bloody well apologise, not go at him raving like a loon and call him a girl.

I love an RMA track day almost as much as I like test days as I am more than capable of holding my own in fact none of the VX220 driving abilities or standards are under discussion here. The issue was Eugene by his own admission I shall repeat that for those that are hard of reading BY HIS OWN ADMISSION did not follow the rules and was out of order, got reported for the fifth time that day and was excluded.

We can debate what we believe to be safe practice and what we think should be the rules from now till Hell freezes over but it will change Jack sh**. We do track days and by doing so we agree to drive to the rules and standards set out.

Now I didn't know it was Eugene in the car and maybe, just maybe I would have had a word with him directly rather than speak to Pete if I had known. I just wonder if I would have had the same angry reaction.

Hmmm, I kind of agree with him. We've all done what he's refering to. If it's safe and I can get through without inhibiting the car ahead I'll get by. That's all he was saying, he just threw in a little humour too....

We all know the big E was a grumpy so and so and that's not in dispute.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

Come on girls, all this indication business is a load of bollox.

I've done hundreds of trackdays and nobody sits there waiting for the car in front to indicate, particuarly on a trackday advertised as not for novices, you girls would really not like an RMA trackday with overtaking both sides.

I'll now put my tin hat on and go and hide.

You are winning no friends on here by using that sort of language, it was pretty much that type of insult that got your mate into this.

I too have done more than three track days and I will do my very best to wait for consent, if for some reason I do step out of line, I seek out the car's owner and bloody well apologise, not go at him raving like a loon and call him a girl.

I love an RMA track day almost as much as I like test days as I am more than capable of holding my own in fact none of the VX220 driving abilities or standards are under discussion here. The issue was Eugene by his own admission I shall repeat that for those that are hard of reading BY HIS OWN ADMISSION did not follow the rules and was out of order, got reported for the fifth time that day and was excluded.

We can debate what we believe to be safe practice and what we think should be the rules from now till Hell freezes over but it will change Jack sh**. We do track days and by doing so we agree to drive to the rules and standards set out.

Now I didn't know it was Eugene in the car and maybe, just maybe I would have had a word with him directly rather than speak to Pete if I had known. I just wonder if I would have had the same angry reaction.

Hmmm, I kind of agree with him. We've all done what he's refering to. If it's safe and I can get through without inhibiting the car ahead I'll get by. That's all he was saying, he just threw in a little humour too....

We all know the big E was a grumpy so and so and that's not in dispute.

I kind of agree with him too Jimmy but what happens if and when we do it and we get spoken to by Pete? What do we do? We take the bollocking, apologise to Pete and if we can, the driver concerned and we make damn sure we keep our noses clean for the rest of the day. He is talking like it should be adopted as best practice. Track Day rules apply regardless of our talent (or in my case assumed talent).

Oh and I didn't see the humour or funny side of what he said. Maybe I am too grumpy to notice the funny side.

Eugene has apologised and I am happy with that

[techieboy]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all. I wasn't in the car at the time; anyone who has come up to pass me when I'm driving knows I take great pride in indicating and letting faster cars past at the first opportunity.

Whovever was driving my MX5 at the time should ideally have indicated. But really, for a VX220 driver to not be able to safely pass a 20 year old 1.6 MX5 (120BHP, 1100kgs with driver, cheap road tyres) is truly sad.

Eugene

Sorry Eugene. My apologies to you and your clients. I've just checked the video and it was actually 3 laps plus the out lap where I picked him up as I came out of the pit lane and he'd just come through Copse. My mistake.

Not a case of "trying to overtake" and failing, more a case of trying to be courteous and abide by the rules.

Yes, stupid old me, I could quite easily have passed him on numerous occasions but stupidly, I was hoping for an indicator or indeed the hand signal from his passenger that he gave to other cars to indicate that they should overtake. I spent most of that time backing off on the entry for every corner so as not to unduly pressurise him and to hopefully leave some manouvering room in the event of any mishap. For half a dozen corners of one lap I decided I'd try the make myself as big as possible in the mirrors routine but, that just resulted in me making exactly the same mistake as the MX-5 through Becketts as I was fixated on what he was doing and not what I was doing. In the end I overtook without consent on the Hangar Straight which was my bad.

Clearly I'm too in touch with my feminine side and had listened too closely to the briefing and possibly not manly enough to feel the need to seek out said car and driver, or one of the LoT guys to remonstrate with.

Personally, I find the overtake with consent only rule more than a little annoying at times and wouldn't be bothered in the slightest if it was dropped. As long as we were all aware that that was the case and that other rules covering braking zones and corners were still in place. And more importantly, that we all followed whatever rules a TDO or circuit felt obliged to impose.


And Ken, you're quite right, I'm pretty sure an RMA day isn't for me and is why I've steered clear, so far.

[Mike (Cliffie)]

The comment from the VX220 driver who 'spent four laps (13 miles!) trying to pass Eugene's MX5' says it all. I wasn't in the car at the time; anyone who has come up to pass me when I'm driving knows I take great pride in indicating and letting faster cars past at the first opportunity.

Whovever was driving my MX5 at the time should ideally have indicated. But really, for a VX220 driver to not be able to safely pass a 20 year old 1.6 MX5 (120BHP, 1100kgs with driver, cheap road tyres) is truly sad.

Eugene

Sorry Eugene. My apologies to you and your clients. I've just checked the video and it was actually 3 laps plus the out lap where I picked him up as I came out of the pit lane and he'd just come through Copse. My mistake.

Not a case of "trying to overtake" and failing, more a case of trying to be courteous and abide by the rules.

Yes, stupid old me, I could quite easily have passed him on numerous occasions but stupidly, I was hoping for an indicator or indeed the hand signal from his passenger that he gave to other cars to indicate that they should overtake. I spent most of that time backing off on the entry for every corner so as not to unduly pressurise him and to hopefully leave some manouvering room in the event of any mishap. For half a dozen corners of one lap I decided I'd try the make myself as big as possible in the mirrors routine but, that just resulted in me making exactly the same mistake as the MX-5 through Becketts as I was fixated on what he was doing and not what I was doing. In the end I overtook without consent on the Hangar Straight which was my bad.

Clearly I'm too in touch with my feminine side and had listened too closely to the briefing and possibly not manly enough to feel the need to seek out said car and driver, or one of the LoT guys to remonstrate with.

Personally, I find the overtake with consent only rule more than a little annoying at times and wouldn't be bothered in the slightest if it was dropped. As long as we were all aware that that was the case and that other rules covering braking zones and corners were still in place. And more importantly, that we all followed whatever rules a TDO or circuit felt obliged to impose.


And Ken, you're quite right, I'm pretty sure an RMA day isn't for me and is why I've steered clear, so far.

Matt, did this take place after our little meeting in the pit garage or am I now the one being paranoid?

[danger7]

Hi all, I'm just not picking up good vibes from this thread, it seems that a certain wrong doing has been apologised over, and lets keep a VXer cool over this little contretemp. Track days are great and should be fun, an opportunity to test your car & yourself to levels not possible on a public highway. Its a way to improve your driving and explore your limits as a driver in relative safety. You'll always have someone with something to prove on track and its this which can lead to a dangerous situation which results in damage to a car or worse personal injury. Common sense should always rule on track. It looked a great day and just a pity about the weather, there was a high standard of driving I have no doubt. I wish some of the european tracks had the same safe & responsible standard of driving that you lot demonstrated. Cheers Ian

[Dave E]

Not wishing to dump a load of super unleaded on this or anything but I assume this is the MX5 (4.45-8.30) in question . If so you have to go to 6.30 for some less than helpful behaviour by the driver, whoever it was. p.s Ian your money is in the post

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

Not wishing to dump a load of super unleaded on this or anything but I assume this is the MX5 (4.45-8.30) in question . If so you have to go to 6.30 for some less than helpful behaviour by the driver, whoever it was.

p.s Ian your money is in the post

Tossbag whoever was driving the MX5. Eugene...? Care to comment?? Looked like your helmet

[Ken993T]

I kind of agree with him too Jimmy but what happens if and when we do it and we get spoken to by Pete? What do we do? We take the bollocking, apologise to Pete and if we can, the driver concerned and we make damn sure we keep our noses clean for the rest of the day. He is talking like it should be adopted as best practice. Track Day rules apply regardless of our talent (or in my case assumed talent).

Pete is hardly going to lose it with you if you pass a car on hanger straight that has not indicated.

I actually think indicating is good practice and good manners, just that it is not necessary all the time, nor is it necessary to hang back waiting for the indicator if you can pass safely.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

I kind of agree with him too Jimmy but what happens if and when we do it and we get spoken to by Pete? What do we do? We take the bollocking, apologise to Pete and if we can, the driver concerned and we make damn sure we keep our noses clean for the rest of the day. He is talking like it should be adopted as best practice. Track Day rules apply regardless of our talent (or in my case assumed talent).

Pete is hardly going to lose it with you if you pass a car on hanger straight that has not indicated.

I actually think indicating is good practice and good manners, just that it is not necessary all the time, nor is it necessary to hang back waiting for the indicator if you can pass safely.

That's fair enough, I agree. What do you think of the MX5's behaviour in the vid above?? Go to 6:20.

[techieboy]

Not wishing to dump a load of super unleaded on this or anything but I assume this is the MX5 (4.45-8.30) in question . If so you have to go to 6.30 for some less than helpful behaviour by the driver, whoever it was.

Thanks for that Dave. That also shows my final lap or so behind it before finally deciding I was going past, consent or not.

[Ken993T]

What do you think of the MX5's behaviour in the vid above?? Go to 6:20.

Ther was a very clear indication to pass on the left from the MX5 but the Honda driver almost came to a halt before the corner, it may be that the MX5 driver thought that the Honda had not seen the signal and was therefore waiting for the MX5.

[JimmyJamJerusalem]

What do you think of the MX5's behaviour in the vid above?? Go to 6:20.

Ther was a very clear indication to pass on the left from the MX5 but the Honda driver almost came to a halt before the corner, it may be that the MX5 driver thought that the Honda had not seen the signal and was therefore waiting for the MX5.

C'mon, the MX5 didn't lift at all, and the Honda guy was just keeping his wits about him wondering if the MX5 would turn in on him. Which he did. The pass should have been made well before the braking zones, but the MX5 just kept his foot down. Very selfish driving dude!

That is far more of a crime than bolting past someone without consent in my book.

What were you out in Ken?

[Sutol]

Jimmy I would change 'selfish' to 'dangerous' frankly